22-07-2003 15:23									#241
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Nice job.

	22-07-2003 15:27									#242
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Couldn't have done it without my leetle frends...

or you guys either.

Check, mate?

	22-07-2003 17:36									#243
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Good job on the lists, Jon Miller and Ellestar.

Reminder: The 2nd character I posted (Ript - the tripping fighter) is available for someone else to play.

The Mad Monk - Improved Trip is great - if you're going to be succeeding with your trip attacks(opposed Str checks), otherwise it can be a waste.

	22-07-2003 17:56									#244
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Well that's the question, isn't it? My PH says that 14 strength is equivalent to gnoll avaerage, so I suspect Morganna is stronger than your average orcs or hobgoblins, many humans, most goblins, and we won't even get into kobalds. She's also pretty dextrous. But...is she strong and dextrous enough to make it worthwhile? I've never played third or second edition, so I'm completely at a loss here.

	22-07-2003 18:41									#245
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Oh - 14 Str? I missed that - I suspected that as a future spellcaster, she wouldn't be muscle-bound.

Your +2 Str modifier is only 1 less than what I gave the fighter I made, who is designed for tripping. So you should be fine. I had considered spending the extra points to push his Str to 18, I couldn't justify the other sacrifices for a one point increase in the Str modifier.

	22-07-2003 19:36									#246
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Great! I'll make the change then.

She'll smack'em in the shins, then twack'em on the head!

	22-07-2003 20:05									#247
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"Insane Knockdowner"
Half-Ogre Barbarian/Fighter (perhaps 2+ levels of fighter for feats)
Feats: Wolf Berserker, Improved Trip, Knockdown, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Chain, Spiked), Large and In Charge, Combat Reflexes
Reach: 20 ft.
Opposed Roll to trip opponent: 3 (Base Str 16)+3 (race modifier to Str)+2(Barbarian rage modifier to Str)+4(size Large)+4(Wolf Berserker Feat)=16+1d20 usually vs. something like 3+1d20.

"You shall not pass!" (C) Gandalf

	22-07-2003 20:25									#248
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin Couldn't have done it without my leetle frends... or you guys either. Check, mate?

Want to play?

	23-07-2003 05:05									#249
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I may have to change a few things (appraise may not be a class skill of the rogue)

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 05:23									#250
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Apparaise is, but I think you need to fix alchemy.

I finished up my characters background -- what region would she be from? I still need to finish equipment.

Mechanics question: when you spend skill points, do you consider all your classes for determination of what is a class skill, or only the class of your most recently gained level?

Last edited by The Mad Monk on 23-07-2003 at 05:28

	23-07-2003 05:48									#251
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Ok, I'm going to scrap power attack. It doesn't sound that useful, and I don't really have enough feats to be messing about with pre-requisites and so on.

I'll change to iron will. The willpower bonus, combined with the rage morale bonus, should keep my mind clear from enemy spells.

	23-07-2003 05:52									#252
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only the class of that level

and yah, I shuold have said alchemy, not appraise

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 06:00									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The willpower bonus, combined with the rage morale bonus, should keep my mind clear from enemy spells.

I has been my experience that statements of this nature invariably cause the GM to take notice and prepare a specific surprise for an overconfident player. Be careful.

	23-07-2003 06:26									#254
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Oh well. If it was meant to be...

	23-07-2003 06:36									#255
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quote: Yes, but fighter has a lot of feats, not unlike barbarian. What gives Cleave? 1 additional attack if you kill someone. To be really useful, you must kill a lot of opponents in every fight - this means that they are weak compared to you. (Btw same with power attack - it helps only when you can hit an opponent no matter what). But you can kill that weak opponents anyways (also this is a main Evocation Mages target - lots of weak opponets). So IMHO it's not really useful, and really bad for a Barbarian because he hasn't a lot of feats.

It is very effective when fighting multiple oponents, weak or strong, especially when you are a low level. For my barabrians, they usually have a low AC, but are very strong, so the faster they can kill an oponent, the better. With cleave they drop one opponent and then immediately (often) deal damage to a second as a free action. The cleave does fail sometimes, but when it doesnt it can be a life saver, especially when you normally only have one or two attacks a round. In my experience anyway.

	23-07-2003 06:37									#256
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oh, i need to add my god, heironious (SP?)

oh, and will the DM allow mounted characters? and if you do, would this be apporpriate for the campaigns?

	23-07-2003 06:39									#257
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oh yeah, and did anyone reply to me on how tower shields are going to work? i had some questions about that earlier, adn dont recall a response

	23-07-2003 06:41									#258
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From what Victor said about rangers and druids, I suspect this will start off as a urban campaign. Mounted combat might be difficult.

	23-07-2003 07:15									#259
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questions for victor

which comes first?? the picking the class or picking the feat (can I pick lightning reflexs and than artificer at level 3??)

also, can I save some of my skill points now to spend later? (like when I am a wizard)

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 09:58									#260
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Picking the class you level up in is the first thing you do when you earn a new level, and all skill points must be spent immediately. These rulings are what the prestige classes in any official WotC product, and all the unofficial 3rd party products which pay attention to the rules, were designed for. You're not supposed to be able to take a prestige class earlier than your sixth level, though there are a few exceptions where the designer's broke this rule, iirc.

	23-07-2003 10:41									#261
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I can deffinitely take the artificer class by level 4

at least as far as requirements go

thanks for telling me, I guess it will be at level 4

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 11:44									#262
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Actually, you definitely need 5 levels in basic classes before you'll be able to be an artificer. One of the requirements is 8 ranks in your choice of several craft skills. Max ranks in a class skill is 3 + level, therefore you'll need five levels to get eight ranks, and, as I said, you have to choose your class before doing anything else when you level up.

	23-07-2003 11:45									#263
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you can get skill focus

that gives you increased ranks

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 11:49									#264
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That's true -- but is it worth the trade off? You've already sacrificed ability points to maximise skills (a choice I certainly considered); do you really want to burn those precious feats just to become the world's lowest level articifer?

	23-07-2003 11:51									#265
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No, skill focus gives you a bonus to skill checks, ranks are purchased with skill points and skill points alone.

	23-07-2003 11:54									#266
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you are required to spend feats on skill focuses to become an artificer (namely craft focus)

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 11:55									#267
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hmm, in that case I may change things a bit

I may start out a wizard instead of a rogue (probably will in fact)

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 12:00									#268
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actually, yah, I think you are right

now I have to think a bit (whether to still go rogue/illusionist or just illusionist)

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 12:05									#269
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Why waste the huge skill boost? Stick with rogue.

	23-07-2003 12:19									#270
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My character will be a Wizard(illusionist)\Gnome Artificer (the gnome artificer is a prestige class open only to gnomes and humans from Lantan)

'Tarna' (after my brother's girlfriend who I think has a cool name)
Human Female Wizard (Illusionist)
Neutral Good
17 years 2 months
5 foot even, 95 pounds
Level 1

Str 10
Dex 14, +2 missile, +2 AC, +2 Reflex Save
Con 14, 6 hp, +6 per level, +2 Fort Save
Int 18, 28 Skill Points, +7 per Level
Wis 10, +2 Will Save
Cha 8, -1 Modifier

Skill Ranks Cost
Alchemy 2 2
Craft (Weaponmaking) 8 4
Craft (Armorsmithing) 4 4
Craft (Metalworking) 4 4
Profession (Apocrathy) 4 4
Knowledge (Architecture) 4 4
Knowledge (Engineering) 4 4
Appraise 3 2

Feats:
Skill Focus: Metalworking +2 to craft metalworking
Mercantile Background +2 to appraise and craft Metalworking
Scribescroll (?)

prohibited spell schools are necromancy and divination

Equipment: (120 GP)

Dagger, punching (2 of them) cost 4 GP 4 lb
Crossbow, Heavy cost 50 GP 9 lb
Bolts, crossbow (10) (x6) cost 6 GP 6 lb
Artisan's Outfit cost 1 GP 4 lb
Spellbook, wizards (blank) cost 15 GP 3 lb
Artisan's Tools cost 5 GP 5 lb
Book on Artificers (Lantan) cost? probably 3 lb
Backpack cost 2 GP 2lb
Bedroll cost 1 SP 1 lb
Blanket, winter cost 5 SP 3 lb
Ink cost 8 GP
Inkpen cost 1 SP
Flint and Steel cost 1 GP
Paper (10 sheets) cost 4 GP
Lamp, common cost 1 SP 1 lb
Sack (2) cost 2 SP 1 lb
Rope, hemp cost 1 GP 10 lb

left 22 GP and 1 SP (an additional 10 GP if I get an outfit for free)

Armor is 12, speed is 30 ft/s

Worships Gond.

Speaks Lantanese among other languages (alphabet is Draconic).

Has large Green Eyes, Copper Hair, and Parchment-colored Skin.

Tarna was always a tinkerer with different gadjets and intended to follow her father's footsteps in becoming an artificer all her life. Well read and studied, she developed a strange wish to see what the other artificers of the world (the gnomes) were doing, right in the midst of her studies. She left on a merchant ship from Lantan and made her way to that cernter of learning, Waterdeep.

She intends to Study Illusion for a time (5 levels) and than follow the path of the Artificer.

spells will be picked later

Jon Miller
(I will probably edit skills a bit also)