22-07-2003 01:24									#91
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arround a 1/3 of all women are raped in their lifetime

so it very well could be a possibility (and it is deffinitely higher than anyone wants to admit)

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	22-07-2003 01:27									#92
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Yep... rape is bad.

Many woment do get raped...
And many men face unfair charges as well...

And nobody will be able to prove which this case will be.

But he is still a scum bag... that we do know

	22-07-2003 01:28									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller arround a 1/3 of all women are raped in their lifetime

Yeah, but most of them were asking for it!

	22-07-2003 01:28									#94
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no...

Jon Miller

	22-07-2003 01:32									#95
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arround a 1/3 of all women are raped in their lifetime

Who gave out that statistic? Not that it isn't true--I'm just surprised.

	22-07-2003 01:32									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller no... Jon Miller

What? They go out showing their ankles off, with make up on their faces, what do they expect is going to happen?

	22-07-2003 01:37									#97
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Jon

the stat is 1/4. I looked it up on the internet.

But that number has been disputed.

	22-07-2003 01:42									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller arround a 1/3 of all women are raped in their lifetime

Shouldn't that be 'accused someone of rape'? Would the Kobes and Tysons 'victims' be included in that statistic? ie probally NOT raped?

	22-07-2003 01:44									#99
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Shouldn't that be 'accused someone of rape'? Would the Kobes and Tysons 'victims' be included in that statistic? ie probally NOT raped?

Wow, so you're saying that Mike Tyson didn't rape his victim?

	22-07-2003 01:44									#100
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I might have remembered wrong

I use to dispute it too, but people who I knew who were female gave convincing evidence that it is right

Jon Miller

	22-07-2003 01:57									#101
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Shouldn't that be 'accused someone of rape'? Would the Kobes and Tysons 'victims' be included in that statistic? ie probally NOT raped?

my expereince would suggest that 1/4 is too small (for being raped, not accusing someone of rape)

Jon Miller

	22-07-2003 01:58									#102
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Wow, so you're saying that Mike Tyson didn't rape his victim?

In a word 'yes' and I'll never understand how he was found guilty

	22-07-2003 01:58									#103
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(note I am including raped as kids and the like, if you only consider raped as adults than the number might be a little lower)

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	22-07-2003 02:21									#104
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I didn't really pay attention to Mike Tyson's case, so I can't say much about that.

But his reputation was not good. That was why he was convicted.

1/3 is too high. 1/4 is also too high.

Because, the way the questions were worded. They asked if women ever slept with someone they regretted sleeping with and wished that it never happened.

A yes reponse to that question was inclued in the 1 in 4 women were raped category.

	22-07-2003 02:37									#105
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Diss,

To be convicted on the basis of reputation is disgraceful. 'Innocent until proven guilty' is the cliche (sp?)

Did anyone (he said/she said mainly) produce enough proof incarcerate a person for 5 years?

	22-07-2003 02:40									#106
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Rape is bad, no doubt. But it is also bad, most probably worse, to spend around 10 years of your life locked away in prison, and I do suspect there quite a few innocent men locked away for crimes they didn't commit.

Another thing to consider is the jury might convict him anyway even if the prosecution hasn't really proved it's case. I've heard of trials where it seemed like people were convicted on dubious evidence. Just because a reasonable person would say that the crime hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, well there is always a chance a jury might not be filled with reasonable people.

	22-07-2003 02:53									#107
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Diss, To be convicted on the basis of reputation is disgraceful. 'Innocent until proven guilty' is the cliche (sp?) Did anyone (he said/she said mainly) produce enough proof to incarcerate a person for 5 years?

	22-07-2003 03:12									#108
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There are cases where it's obviously rape, others where it obviously isn't and too many in that gray area (he said, she said, rape but never reported, etc.) that makes me believe it's difficult to come up with an exact 1/4, 1/3, etc. figure. on how many women are "raped."

Now it would be easy to say 1/x women report being raped, or in a poll 1/x women claim to have been a victim of rape...etc.

	22-07-2003 03:13									#109
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who deleted my thread?

Apolytoc can't have beent hat busy in the last hour

Jon Miller

	22-07-2003 03:18									#110
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yes I saw it, but couldn't click on it. It was deleted that fast

What did it say? Why was it deleted?

	22-07-2003 03:20									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless My take on the whole thing is that the woman wanted money, Kobe refused and was slapped with a lawsuit.

You seem to be making the common error of somehow assuming this is a civil suit. This is a criminal prosecution and the victim will not directly collect money from Kobe regardless of the trial's outcome. Kobe could offer the lady a million dollars tommorow and it wouldn't affect the criminal charges he is being brought up on one bit. Admitedly if Kobe is convicted, the lady could presumably sue Kobe for alot of money, but this does not necessarily mean that she made up these charges for that purpose.

I view it as extremely unlikely that the women who is claiming she was raped by Kobe tried to ask for money before or immediately after initially filling charges against Kobe. If this was the case, Kobe's defense team would have already published this fact to discredit her before the trial and to persuade the public that the rape charges are bogus.

	22-07-2003 03:22									#112
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1 in 3 raped? What definition of rape do we use?

	22-07-2003 03:39									#113
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Latest News: Apparently the prosecution has evidence she came out of the room crying, apparently a fellow employee at the desk is going to testify that she was distraught coming out.

Of course, if it is a friend of the girl, she very well could be making this up to help her.

	22-07-2003 04:26									#114
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I'm sure that at least 1 in 4 are raped. Acquantance rape is much more common that we'd like to believe.

	22-07-2003 04:27									#115
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It depends on who's deciding if it's rape.

	22-07-2003 04:31									#116
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Kobe is screwed if they don't get out of that county. 1% black. ouch. Innocent looking girl raped by a talk muscular black man. yikes. Nugget fans on the jury.

He's got a hell of a defense team. Denver he wins hands down. eagle cty, who know what will happen with that jury.

	22-07-2003 04:37									#117
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I'm not sure anyone would admit they are a Nuggets fan

Kobe is screwed.

It's so difficult why he would rape that woman. I have trouble believing it.

First of all, if you are a famous person why would you rape someone? They know who you are, and know you have lots of money.

On the other hand, being famous with a good reputation may be a good advantage. Nobody would suspect him of rape, and they would just say it is consentual and the woman is out for his money.

	22-07-2003 04:39									#118
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and that 1 in 4 is bullshit. I just posted above why that is. That 1 in 4 includes women who've had sex with someone and later wish they hadn't.

If aquaintance rape is that widespread, we have a serious problem here. All I know, is I've never raped a woman.

	22-07-2003 05:01									#119
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check this article out, and see what you think.

I just happened to stumble accross this- it's where I got my information from.

But I may be wrong

This woman may be some conservative nut job (most conservatives are nut jobs ) with an agenda.

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

And it turns out I worded the question wrong above.

The actual question is this: 8. Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?

The way it is worded is why the number of women raped is 1 in 4.

"Koss and her colleagues concluded that 15.4 percent of respondents had been raped, and that 12.1 percent had been victims of attempted rape.[9] Thus, a total of 27.5 percent of the respondents were determined to have been victims of rape or attempted rape because they gave answers that fit Koss's criteria for rape (penetration by penis, finger, or other object under coercive influence such as physical force, alcohol, or threats). However, that is not how the so-called rape victims saw it. Only about a quarter of the women Koss calls rape victims labeled what happened to them as rape. According to Koss, the answers to the follow-up questions revealed that "only 27 percent" of the women she counted as having been raped labeled themselves as rape victims.[10] Of the remainder, 49 percent said it was "miscommunication," 14 percent said it was a "crime but not rape," and 11 percent said they "don't feel victimized."[11]"

Written by Christina Sommers

	22-07-2003 05:10									#120
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some of her other points are questionable....

Koss also asked: "Have you given in to sex play (fondling, kissing, or petting, but not intercourse) when you didn't want to because you were overwhelmed by a man's continual arguments and pressure?" To this question, 53.7 percent responded affirmatively, and they were counted as having been sexually victimized

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Give me a break. One would think that using this argument closer to 100% of all women have been sexually victimized, including probably my wife by me. And what about all the times I've had to put out when I felt tired or had a headache. Can I get a cookie too?