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DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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Liberia's Taylor vows to fight to the end
Saturday, July 19, 2003 Posted: 9:18 PM EDT (0118 GMT)

MONROVIA, Liberia (CNN) -- Liberian President Charles Taylor vowed to fight "to the end" as rebel forces advanced on the capital Saturday.

Taylor told a television reporter he would fight until "the hooligans are driven out of town" and said he has ordered his men to go house to house to make sure the city is safe.

He said he would not leave the country before an international peacekeeper force arrived.

Heavy fighting raged on the outskirts of the city. CNN Correspondent Jeff Koinange, who was on the scene, said rebels were within minutes of the government house and that resistance was very light.

Forces from Liberians United for Reconciliation and Democracy, the main rebel group, were fighting for a key bridge from Freeport to the central part of Monrovia after taking another bridge earlier.

The bridge was one of the last defense lines of the government troops. Many government soldiers were seen retreating from Freeport.

Patrick Robert, a French freelance news photographer on assignment for Time magazine, was shot in the chest in the fighting for the bridge. He was at a Red Cross trauma unit after being treated at the U.S. Embassy. His wounds were life-threatening, a Time spokesman told The Associated Press.

The relentless advance came as the LURD leadership in Ghana -- where Liberian peace talks have been taking place -- said it was not interested in advancing into the center of Monrovia but only defending positions government forces were attacking.

Heavy gun and mortar fire were heard around the sprawling, chaotic city. Injured Liberians were being carted in wheelbarrows to hospitals staffed by nongovernmental organizations.

Liberian Defense Minister Daniel Chea discounted a rumor an Economic Community of West African States peacekeeping force was in the city.

Recent fighting -- which followed a "few days of tense calm" -- prompted thousands of Liberians to flee to Monrovia's city center.

The United Nations described the capital city as "already overflowing with thousands of frightened people displaced by months of fighting between rebels and government forces."

A U.S. Embassy official advised American citizens to seek safe haven at the embassy. The embassy staff reported small arms fire outside the compound.

U.S. Ambassador John Blaney issued a statement late Saturday that blamed the attacks on LURD. He urged the rebels to halt their advance and asked all parties to cease fire.

"The world is watching the way you conduct yourself now, and the United States expects you to make every effort to ensure the safety of civilians," Blaney said. "In that regard, I also call upon the LURD to avoid reprisal. Liberia does not need that kind of experience."

Blaney especially urged the rebels to respect the rights of non-Liberians, many of whom he said are in the country to address the ongoing humanitarian crisis.

The United States, Blaney said, expects LURD to return to the Accra talks "regardless of the military situation."

"Any lasting peace must be based upon a broad political understanding, and fighting government forces in Monrovia does not change that fact," Blaney said. "The United States will continue to push for peace in Liberia and to assist the people of Liberia toward a better future."

U.S. forces move closer

A three-ship U.S. naval task force carrying some 2,200 Marines has been ordered to sail from the east coast of Africa to the Mediterranean Sea in case President Bush orders peacekeeping troops into the West African country settled by freed American slaves in 1822.

Pentagon officials stressed the movement was a "precautionary measure" aimed at moving the Marines into a position where they could be more quickly dispatched to the war-torn African country in the event the United States decides to support a West African peacekeeping initiative there.

A U.S. assessment has been in the country in recent days gathering information to help Bush to decide whether to commit American troops.

Liberia has been crippled by nearly 14 years of almost continuous civil war. For the past three years rebel forces have been fighting to oust Taylor, who took power in a election that followed seven years of factional conflict.

Taylor was indicted in June by a U.N.-backed court in neighboring Sierra Leone on charges he committed war crimes by supporting rebels in that country's 10-year civil war.

On July 6, Taylor accepted an offer of asylum from Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo, who said he would shield him from the war crimes charges -- but only if Taylor stays out of Liberian politics.

No timetable was set, however, and Taylor said he would not abandon power before the arrival of international peacekeeping forces. Bush on several occasions has called on Taylor to step aside.

U.S. presidential candidate Al Sharpton departed Saturday on a diplomatic mission to Africa and planned to meet both sides in the conflict.

The New York civil rights activist heads first to Accra where he planned to meet Sunday with Liberian opposition groups, including LURD. On Monday, Sharpton planned to visit Liberia and was scheduled to meet with Taylor.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/07/19/liberia.fighting.update/index.html

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You know if the rebels overrun the place, I don't see how the US gets the Marines in without invading the place.

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The marines will have to pop a few rebels and a few of Taylor´s men. They have the support of the Liberians. You see how those crowds cheered loudly when they saw a uniformed US military observer?

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Wait, did I just read:

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U.S. presidential candidate Al Sharpton


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He is a candidate? OMG...

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I hope we get our boys in there fast. If not, this could be a real catastrophe (not that it isn't already).

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I hope we get our boys in there fast. If not, this could be a real catastrophe (not that it isn't already).


It could be a complete disaster if they don´t get there ASAP... tens of thousands will die I think if Monrovia falls.

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I hope we get our boys in there fast. If not, this could be a real catastrophe (not that it isn't already).
If things continue to procede on this track, I hope we don't go.

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As much as I'd hate to see American troops in danger, I'd really hate to see what happens if we let rebel forces take the capital.

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As much as I'd hate to see American troops in danger, I'd really hate to see what happens if we let rebel forces take the capital.
How can you send a peacekeeping mission to a place without peace to keep?

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Who sends in Marines as peacekeepers anyway?

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good point

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Who sends in Marines as peacekeepers anyway?
We do apparentlty.

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Yep. You know, Europe has a lot more Amphibious lift than I thought. Especially Greece. I wander why they haven't voluntered to mosey on down?

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I don´t think much of Europe has the capacity to send much troops. Even Spain. We sent like 900 in the Iraq war.

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That's okay. Soon America will field our dreaded ...

STRYKER SWARM (tm) in both Liberia and Iraq. It will teach all to fear the future of our armored forces.





This will teach all tinpot Guereillas a lessonthey won't soon forget.

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I saw some of those here at Ft Sill a month ago. They were participating in some excercises.

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What does it do?

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It "deploys quickly around the word, is C-130 transportable, and is designed to handle low-intensity conflicts"

Oh yeah, and RPGs make them 'splode good. This is the sort of thing Mr. Rumsfeld wants to replace our heavy "legacy" armor with.

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Oh yeah, and RPGs make them 'splode good.
Explain.

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Armor is substantially thinner/weaker than a Bradley.

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I seem to recall that the Stryker system relies heavily on standoff capabilities, which a lot of supporters claim makes up for the lack of armor. I'll take legacy armor any day.

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That sounds bad.

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Don't worry. That C-130 that's delayed coming has the snap-on armor.

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How many innocent civilians would die if the LURD took over? It sounds like resistence is light, after all.

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As much as I'd hate to see American troops in danger, I'd really hate to see what happens if we let rebel forces take the capital.


Then don't look. Our plate is getting pretty ****ing full of third world shithole cans of worms as it is.

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Also Taylor's forces outnumber the LURD by 10 to 1. I don't know why he won't push them back right now unless he is planning something. Damn... he is going to slaughter them if they near government buildings... let them enter and then surround them. Yikes.. this is going to get real ugly.

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This will teach all tinpot Guereillas a lessonthey won't soon forget.


It'll teach them that roadbound and hard, smooth off-road surface limited forces are a lot easier to channelize into effective killing zones than tracked forces.

Stryker sucks ass.

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How many innocent civilians would die if the LURD took over? It sounds like resistence is light, after all.


A bunch. There's never "heavy resistance" in African wars, because everyone knows the combatants don't observe any of the normal restraints. So you make a quick assessment of whoever is likely to win (which always seems to be the offense, since defense requires planning and discipline), and if you're not one of them, you get the **** out of Dodge.

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Stryker sucks ass.
Yes, the wheels should have been my first clue but the lack of armor beat me over the head with that fact.

 
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