21-07-2003 10:08									#31
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Templar, the UN almost always fails. It is a fact...

Quagmire? What? Are you high or something? You call this a quagmire?

quote: I don't see any other elected official in the world lifting a finger to help at this stage.

Bull.

I see the New Europe donating more troops, in fact Polish reinforcements arrived yesturday when I was watching the news.

	21-07-2003 10:09									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Perhaps... but then again... perhaps not.

No, I mean there probably aren't that many Americans who know Iraq's history. I do . . . somewhat.

	21-07-2003 10:10									#33
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As much as I would love to see the Iraqi people get some much, much needed help, I don't really think any nation will really be too eager to intervene on the side of the US, and I can understand why they wouldn't.

	21-07-2003 10:10									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I see the New Europe donating more troops, in fact Polish reinforcements arrived yesturday when I was watching the news.

New Europe? Where's that? Is that an island out in the Antarctic somewhere? Cuz Poland sure as hell ain't new.

	21-07-2003 10:11									#35
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Actually, I think the UN would face less resistence in Iraq than the Americans. Not militarily, since that seems to be directed by the Ba'athists, but they'd get more cooperation from the rest of Iraq.

	21-07-2003 10:12									#36
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara New Europe? Where's that? Is that an island out in the Antarctic somewhere? Cuz Poland sure as hell ain't new.

I am just using Rumsfeld's little comment about old Europe and new Europe. It is the same continent, but some countries have smartened up and these are considered new Europe.

Monkspider: Why would anybody not want to help the United States?

	21-07-2003 10:13									#37
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, I think the UN would face less resistence in Iraq than the Americans. Not militarily, since that seems to be directed by the Ba'athists, but they'd get more cooperation from the rest of Iraq.

Seeing how the UN has done elsewhere (and how poorly as always) I don't think having them come in is an option.

	21-07-2003 10:16									#38
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quote: I see the New Europe donating more troops, in fact Polish reinforcements arrived yesturday when I was watching the news.

yeah, new Europe should be looked upon as a pillar of Democracy, peace and freedom... and every few blocks, you can buy a child-sex slave from some Eastern European mob. oh but they support the war, they must be good people!

	21-07-2003 10:20									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Australia can send its tank to help.

I thought Howard was reserving the tank to help with the proposed naval blockade of N. Korea.

After all, its a hell of alot more seaworthy then our submarines.

	21-07-2003 10:20									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sava yeah, new Europe should be looked upon as a pillar of Democracy, peace and freedom... and every few blocks, you can buy a child-sex slave from some Eastern European mob. oh but they support the war, they must be good people!

I am talking about Britain (well on the other hand..), Spain and Italy. Not those Eastern European nations.. sure they contributed...

Sheesh.. just because they contribute you have to go condemn them. Go insult them for problems they have. Give them a break, a lot of those Eastern bloc nations have suffered economic chaos.

	21-07-2003 10:23									#41
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quote: Sheesh.. just because they contribute you have to go condemn them.

nah, I'm not condemning them because they've contributed... I'm condemning them because morons like Donald Rumsfeld put those Eastern European nations on pedestals when they are breeding grounds for criminal filth.

edit: and say what you will about France and Germany, but they are our allies... if the Russians invaded us, France and Germany would stick with us. They would support us until the end. But most Eastern European countries would betray us in a second. They'd turncoat for the power who they thought would win such a war. It happened during WW2.. the Bulgarians... part of the "coalition of the willing in Iraq" helped the Nazis... and then when the Soviets came... they turncoated again and helped those murdering Stalinist ****s. So don't give me that New Europe BS... they are just pandering to the superpower of the hour. If Saddam Hussein were the leader of a regional superpower, they'd be supporting him.

	21-07-2003 10:25									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava nah, I'm not condemning them because they've contributed... I'm condemning them because morons like Donald Rumsfeld put those Eastern European nations on pedestals when they are breeding grounds for criminal filth.

Nice excuse... and nice lie too... anything else? You are starting to sound like a political Civnation.. scary...

	21-07-2003 10:31									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Nice excuse... and nice lie too... anything else? You are starting to sound like a political Civnation.. scary...

Perhaps you have a short memory... but I come prepared with facts, son.

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2687403.stm

quote: Mr Rumsfeld expanded on his remark about "old Europe" by pointing to the planned eastward expansion of Nato as far as the three Baltic republics. If you knew what I felt like telling Mr Rumsfeld... Roselyne Bachelot, French Environment Minister "If you look at the entire Nato Europe today, the centre of gravity is shifting to the east," Mr Rumsfeld said.

So what's a lie? That Rumsfeld made those comments? Or that they are cesspools of corruption and organized crime?

Here's a lesson Fezzy, if you want to troll back and forth, that's fine... don't expect to run with the big dogs in a debate if your BAM's are going to be shot down by the likes of me. I'm an amateur, and on a Civ gaming site, and I just gave you the debate equivalent of an atomic wedgie!@

	21-07-2003 10:34									#44
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BBC?

BBC's Credibility: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...-752183,00.html

Sorry I just shot you down.

	21-07-2003 10:34									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi This is acceptable ONLY so long as we don't give the UN any real power.

Its that kind of attitude that got you into this sorry mess in the first place.

	21-07-2003 10:37									#46
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What does this story have to do with Rumsfeld's comments? Are you denying he said such things? Do a yahoo! or Google search on "Rumsfeld New Europe" and you can find more than enough sources on the matter. I can't hold your hand and teach you Fez.

The BBC is a very credible news source. Create another thread if you want to argue otherwise.

	21-07-2003 10:38									#47
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Alexander's Horse - Can you pull some strings at work and get those boomerangers reassigned to Iraq? We could sure use them.

	21-07-2003 10:39									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Sava What does this story have to do with Rumsfeld's comments? Are you denying he said such things? Do a yahoo! or Google search on "Rumsfeld New Europe" and you can find more than enough sources on the matter. I can't hold your hand and teach you Fez. The BBC is a very credible news source. Create another thread if you want to argue otherwise.

No just discrediting your source.

He did say those things but BBC took them out of context and did not quote him fully.

By the way, BBC is not a credible source.. it was anti-war.... making it very unreliable.

	21-07-2003 10:42									#49
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Run along little boy.

	21-07-2003 10:43									#50
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Well, what about the boomerangers d1ckhead?!?

Don't make me send DROT after you.

	21-07-2003 10:44									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Alexander's Horse - Can you pull some strings at work and get those boomerangers reassigned to Iraq? We could sure use them.

Sure - I'm sure we could spare a few more dead end losers with a death wish.

	21-07-2003 10:45									#52
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Thanks.

	21-07-2003 10:47									#53
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just tell me what 'boomerangers" are first?

	21-07-2003 10:48									#54
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quote: No just discrediting your source.

oh... attacking the person, not the facts... good strategy

quote: He did say those things but BBC took them out of context and did not quote him fully

Not quite... go to the Apolyton thread on David Kelley and educate yourself. You've already lost that argument. And if your entire argument in this thread is based upon the conduct of ONE reporter on ONE unrelated story... well...

	21-07-2003 10:49									#55
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They are those aboriginee guys that throw those boomerangs. You know the angled sticks the fly in the air and return to the thrower...

	21-07-2003 10:49									#56
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quote: just tell me what 'boomerangers" are first?

You damn Aussies!

	21-07-2003 10:49									#57
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Stop threadjacking Sava we are talking about boomerangs ********.

	21-07-2003 10:50									#58
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Sava you should change in your sig the word "poster" to "lover"... hahaha.. just kidding yah...

Yeah stop thread jacking...

	21-07-2003 10:51									#59
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what kind of forums censor k nob head?!

	21-07-2003 10:51									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Fez By the way, BBC is not a credible source.. it was anti-war.... making it very unreliable.

Sure, only pro-war sources are reliable, right?