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HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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They can run as part of the rights under Union Citizenship.

http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/citizens/en/uk/001930.htm

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I didn't know that!

HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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You mean you never considered moving to Austria and becoming a councillor?

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So theoretically a mass influx of Englishmen could "move" to France just before an election and possibly effect the out come of it? That doesn't sound good.

Then again...

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Of course, we can all move and work freely within the EU now. It's great. In practice the labour market is still much less mobile than in the US though.

HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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EU citizens can vote in municipal and European Parliament elections - not at national elections.

Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
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That shows how important the European Parliament is.

HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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No, it shows how much governments cling to romantic ideas of nations.

MikeH is offline MikeH
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You mean outdated romantic ideas of nations.

HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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Yes, thanx.

Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
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Outdated, Mike?

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There's your difference.


A totally artificial one.

Maybe you think the guy shouldn't have an interpreter at all - just a poke with a stick when it's time to vote yes.

What do you want Bodds? Effective democratic govt or a dictatorship?

And you'd better stick to your answer, because if you don't I will hound you till you scream.

Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
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I want politicians who speak English.

I want a ban on those that don't.

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So that includes politicians that don't speak any language, doesn't it?

Nice to see you sticking up for the disabled Bodds.

Also no surprise that you don't say that you don't want a dictatorship.

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I don't think this thread will be lasting too much longer.

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So that includes politicians that don't speak any language, doesn't it?

Nice to see you sticking up for the disabled Bodds.

Also no surprise that you don't say that you don't want a dictatorship.


Yeah, let's have illiterate politicians.

Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
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I don't think this thread will be lasting too much longer.


If Ming/MtG had any sense, all that is necessary is a removal of that picture from Red Jon's post and a brief ban. Three days, for example.

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If Ming/MtG had any sense, .


If you had any sense, you wouldn't go insinuting that mods don't have any sense.

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quote:
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I want politicians who speak English.

I want a ban on those that don't.


It would be amusing to hear you repeat such a view among Plaid Cymru supporters around Aberystwyth.

Any other points of our democracy you'd like to restrict? The Reform Acts? Magna Carta?

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quote:
Originally posted by Boddington's
I want politicians who speak English.

I want a ban on those that don't.


Let's have no more Secretaries of State for Wales who don't know Welsh and are caught on television mouthing badly to the national anthem of Wales (John Redwood).

Let's have politicians who are bilingual in Erse and Scots Gaelic, for the Six Counties and Scotland.

Let's have politicians who can speak in all the languages of their constituents- English, Gujerati, Cantonese, Turkish, Vietnamese, Urdu, Italian, Greek,.....

Because believe it or not, Bodders old chum, old mate, the world outside that whited sepulchre of a laager you live in is a lot more diverse and 'colourful' than you know.

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Here in Canada, we have 2 official languages, English and French so we need two sets of interpreters, English for the French speaking folks, and French for the English speakers.

AFAIK all of our PM's have been bi-lingual. The reasoning behind this is that the PM should be able to address the people in either language so that neither one feels 'left out'.

However, there are certain residency and citizenship requirements for all candidates, including a minimum proficiency in one language or the other.

If the colonies can do this, why can't Britain? It's simply a matter of respect for the people of the country, to be able to address them in the language they use.

However, the very fact that a man illiterate can be elected to parliament is the surest sign of the decline in British civilisation. Should not a councillor be required to hold public sessions to raise support in order to be elected?

Bodds, I for one support your thoughts in this instance and implore the British to find their roots here in Canada. You'd probably be more comfortable.

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However, the very fact that a man illiterate can be elected to parliament is the surest sign of the decline in British civilisation. Should not a councillor be required to hold public sessions to raise support in order to be elected?


He's not illiterate. He can read, write and speak Urdu fluently. He's not an imbecile.

As has already been pointed out he can also read English without assistance. His ability to speak English should clearly be improved, and no doubt he is studying it intensively.

Would it be wrong to elect a ('native' English) councillor who has deaf and dumb? Would that be a sure sign of the decline of civilisation?

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HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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"However, there are certain residency and citizenship requirements for all candidates, including a minimum proficiency in one language or the other."

Yeah we have that too - enshrined in a sentence in the citizenship law that defies german grammar.

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quote:

Would it be wrong to elect a ('native' English) councillor who has deaf and dumb? Would that be a sure sign of the decline of civilisation?


FP:

Deafness is not a problem, people can learn to speak well through lip reading and speech therapy. Not being able to speak is a much more difficult problem, since I do not think such a person could adequately discharge their duties as a public official, unless they can be trained to speak.

As for a 'native', I don't care where they come from, so long as they have proper citizenship. Last I checked citizenship can be held by immigrants.

Thanks for the clarification that the man can read just fine, he cannot speak English.

quote:

His ability to speak English should clearly be improved, and no doubt he is studying it intensively.


For the sake of his constituents, I would hope so.

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If Ming/MtG had any sense, all that is necessary is a removal of that picture from Red Jon's post and a brief ban. Three days, for example.




This coming from the guy who's constantly insinuating that gay people deserve to die?

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Hey I didn't create AIDS.

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Hey I didn't create AIDS.
I think that you both should be banned at this point.

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quote:
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Hey I didn't create AIDS.

...and this is meaning to say that gay people did?

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I think that you both should be banned at this point.


It was a joke and not exactly exaggerating Boddignton's point of view at that.

 
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