27-07-2003 11:24									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion KH - I didn't get which part of that was irony and which wasn't...

I was annoyed. Otherwise the rolleyes would have been replaced with the thumbs up that I generally use for sarcasm.

	27-07-2003 11:24									#152
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well, he is closer to conservative than to liberal

I would call him more of a radical

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	27-07-2003 11:26									#153
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Radical definitely, but ideology converges with conservatism on a number of issues. And the ones he complains about would make me think he would want to vote conservative/Republican.

	27-07-2003 11:28									#154
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MtG:

quote: Nobody makes the masses do anything, whiner. Yes, let's avoid personal responsibility as a concept, because it doesn't fit within Speer's grand experience of the world.

i'm all for ****ing responsibility! when i have discussions with people in the real world, i'm always told that i'm too strict about personal responsibility and that i should realize that it aint always about that...

but in any event... i believe in personal responsibility when there's enough parenting and schooling that children actually know what responsibility means... but no, the liberals conveniently destroyed the family...


thanks

	27-07-2003 11:29									#155
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Radical Conservative Maybe?

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	27-07-2003 11:29									#156
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Basically yeah.

	27-07-2003 11:31									#157
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He is a reaction against his community.

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	27-07-2003 11:32									#158
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Masquerading as a saviour for them.

	27-07-2003 11:34									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer MtG: i'm all for ****ing responsibility! when i have discussions with people in the real world, i'm always told that i'm too strict about personal responsibility and that i should realize that it aint always about that... but in any event... i believe in personal responsibility when there's enough parenting and schooling that children actually know what responsibility means... but no, the liberals conveniently destroyed the family... thanks

Take it to another thread. Same goes for everyone else.

	27-07-2003 11:35									#160
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this is not fair. he's younger than both of you. and he's only 1. is it fun to bash the weaker?

	27-07-2003 11:35									#161
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I am not bashing

I understand where he is coming from, but disagree on points with him

Jon Miller

	27-07-2003 19:50									#162
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Can I get the Groovy Girl doll at stores? Like in Richmond?

	27-07-2003 20:46									#163
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The South Pole Toy Store

Village Shopping Center
7011 Three Chopt Road
Richmond, Virginia 23226
Email: toypros@southpoletoys.com
Phone (804) 288-7345
Fax (804) 288-7448

	27-07-2003 21:01									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Mono: when the masses are no longer held in bondage by the chains of drug abuse and sex, placed on us by the decadent, bourgeious liberal establishment, then and only then, will i cease my 'class warfare'

This will likely be the funniest thing I'll read all day.

Yes, isn't it amazing how the "decadent establishment" invented sex in 1958 as to drive the class warfare engine to new highs? Before then all was sanity and normalcy as children, rightly and properly, budded off their parents with no sex or birthing involved.

	27-07-2003 21:02									#165
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And we all know the concept of "drugs" was invented in 1983 by the CIA to keep poor people drugged up.

	27-07-2003 21:31									#166
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quote: Originally posted by LTEC! The South Pole Toy Store Village Shopping Center 7011 Three Chopt Road Richmond, Virginia 23226 Email: toypros@southpoletoys.com Phone (804) 288-7345 Fax (804) 288-7448

Now, how about a watch-buying recommendation. I am thinking something reasonably nice and ladylike looking. She had one before that was silver or gold colored. ~500 bucks or so. I'm looking to get away a little cheaper than that. But if I should spend equal to what she had before, tell me. She is a slim girl but decent height: 5-7. Has blondish-brownish hair. Dresses in a laig-back, but conservative manner. She had one of those ones before that was very rectangular in shape, without hour designators and it annoyed her (hard to tell time). So I am leaning to a more conventional look. I need to knowwhat sort to get and what kind of store is the best bet. jewelry in the mall, big, small, etc. I could go by someplace in NoVA on my way up to see her on Tuesday, if I was sure that they would have something nice.

	27-07-2003 21:36									#167
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You'll have to wait a few hours for that one. LTEC! is off to a baby shower, so Ian and I have the joint to ourselves for a while.

However, I'm sure you'll end up with several good options to choose from.

BTW, the Groovy Girl doll will likely be a hit - LTEC! has always been dead on when it comes to finding really cool toys that kids like.

	27-07-2003 21:37									#168
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Why are you spending that much, again?

	27-07-2003 22:13									#169
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500 dollar watch? thats a bit much for a watch... then again, i'd do the same for the lady i love.

KrazyHorse and Jon:

(real quick so mtg won't get mad)... thats why i have always said i'm a fascist/populist. basically conservative, moderate in some areas, extreme in others, and with a few twists.


JohnT:

don't act like the 1960's had no effect on the rate of teenage pregnancy and drug use.

	27-07-2003 22:36									#170
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever once you a mutual agreement on the subject

I've always considered exclusivity as kind of old-fashioned and useless, and I don't think of it as being moral or whatnot.

However, my girlfriend doesn't think so. She thinks sleeping with another person is a horrible offense.

We made this difference clear and reached an agreement : as she gives much more importance than me to it, I respect her wishes of pure fidelity. The topic still makes her cringe.

	27-07-2003 22:38									#171
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SPIFFOR SIGHTING!

Glade to see you're back.

	27-07-2003 22:40									#172
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so spiffor, you dont believe in monogamy... what if your girlfriend did let you do whatever and you got another girl pregnant? what then?

	27-07-2003 23:21									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer so spiffor, you dont believe in monogamy... what if your girlfriend did let you do whatever and you got another girl pregnant? what then?

I am not stupid enough to have sex with someone else without using condoms Besides, my gf and I are very cautious about her taking the abortion pill.
If there was an accident and an unwanted pregnacy, I'd pressure as much as I could to have the girl abort. WHether she's my girlfriend or a random head (but random heads won't happen, since I swore not to cheat on my gf, at her request).

Oerdin :
Thanks !

	27-07-2003 23:23									#174
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Speer: "don't act like the 1960's had no effect on the rate of teenage pregnancy and drug use."

I could argue that better statistical gathering techniques, the removal of societal blinders to what was really going on all along, and the rise of the hyper-media has as much to do with the "rise" of particular societal ills as the increase in drug use and other vices of "the 1960s."

Hell, before 1965 nobody really cared how many black kids were having kids... now 40 years later we have interest groups that exist solely to keep that number "up" to an acceptable level (an "acceptable level" is defined by the special interest group as the minimum number of people affected by Problem X needed to support a lobby group on their behalf - you don't want to go below that number or else you're out of a job. You can't support 8 salaries in the DC area if you only have 500 sufferers nationwide.)

Back then there were three TV stations, a number of local papers (like you had the time to read more than 2) and radio stations, no internet and party lines for your telephone. Information just crawled, and you most likely wouldn't have heard about teens having kids nationwide because the networks devoted a grand sum of 6 hours of news a day (one hour morning, one evening), all of them competing against the other in the same time slot.

So people didn't care and they couldn't even know if there was a problem due to the paucity of information... until the 1960s, that is, when a lot of things just seemed to hit critical mass and society exploded.

Personally, it seems to me that we have a situation where once teens were given the means to control their pregnancies, society became more relaxed in matters relating to a wide range of issues, from the way we dress to sexual mores to the problems of poverty. This has removed many of the "pre-libertine" (for want of a better word) assumptions that would've prevented kids from having sex, and the most important restraint still remaining, the church, is mocked by those very people who wring their hands and moan the loudest about the "poor black teens."

...

Plus there's also the fact that most 16 year old boys and girls are stupid and really don't care once they're in the heat of the moment. But you can't do anything about that.

	28-07-2003 01:15									#175
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I got her a nice watch. Several hundred dollars. Would have gone a bit cheaper, but the one she had before was in that range. It's no biggie in the end.

	28-07-2003 01:20									#176
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For your wife?

	28-07-2003 01:35									#177
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No. I don't even know if we will stay together. But no reason not to make her happy on her birthday.

	28-07-2003 02:17									#178
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am I the only one wondering what a SO really is???

IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN THE ACRONYMS YOU ARE USING?

Found with acronymfinder.com:
SO: Supply Officer, Security Officer, Source of Orgasm, System Overheat, Student Organization, Switching Office, Strike Out, Sold Out, Special Order, Sheriff's Office, Sims Online, Significant Other, Sales Out, .......

what? What?? WHAT????
Give me the answer ASAP and that could mean: As Soon As Possible, A Simplified Asset (disposal) Procedure, A Stupid Acting Person (Dilbert comic strip), Academic Strategic Alliances Program, Accelerated Situational Awareness Prototype, Always Stop and Pray, Antisubmarine Attack Plotter, ....

BR,
ata

	28-07-2003 02:19									#179
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SO : Significant other

gf : girlfriend - bf: boyfriend

ASAP: As Soon As Possible. Never seen any other use of this one.

	28-07-2003 02:19									#180
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Significant other (girlfriend).