27-07-2003 13:01									#1
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I saw a commercial for this and Apple claims it is the "fastest personal computer in the world". As I know this is just part of its BS advertisement campaign I would like to see documentation comparing the G5 with comparable AMD/Intel machines.

Thanks.

	27-07-2003 13:04									#2
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This has been discussed and debunked before.

It's bullshit, although it certainly is fast.

	27-07-2003 13:06									#3
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if you're not careful it will BLOW YOU THROUGH YOUR WALLS :O maybe i'd get one if it came with a drywall repair kit

	27-07-2003 13:07									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Asher This has been discussed and debunked before. It's bullshit, although it certainly is fast.

I know that.. I just want to see benchmarks and stuff comparing Intel with it... could you pull any up for me?

	27-07-2003 13:10									#5
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AFAIK, most experts think it will be the fastest computer to be released for at least ten years.

	27-07-2003 13:11									#6
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its so fast that when u run it god will appear to u on the screen.

now thats fast.

	27-07-2003 13:12									#7
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider AFAIK, most experts think it will be the fastest computer to be released for at least ten years.

Again more crap. It isn't the fastest out there.

	27-07-2003 13:18									#8
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Apple based the claim on the SPEC CPU 2000 benchmark.

IBM and Apple have been heavily optimizing the GCC compiler for the G5 for a long time now.
Intel optimizes its own Intel compiler rather than GCC.

So Apple saw this, thought it'd make a brilliant marketing move -- we can compile both using the same compiler, because 99.9% of people won't know that GCC sucks for Pentium 4 code. But just to be safe, they disabled SSE2 (which is a huge performance booster, akin to the G5's AltiVec) because they claimed it reduced performance (bullshit).

Anyway:
Apple's performance claims:
2GHz G5: fp: 840, int: 800
3.06GHz Xeon:fp: 646, int: 836
3.0GHz P4: fp: 693, int: 889

But, unfortunately, when you don't cripple Intel's chips, it kinda spanks the G5. The following numbers are official and from SPEC.org, the official SPEC websites, and they've been checked for validity (note: Apple did not submit their scores).

3.06GHz Xeon: fp: 1173, int: 1242
3.0GHz P4: fp: 1229, int: 1151
3.2GHz P4: fp: 1267, int: 1205

	27-07-2003 13:20									#9
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider AFAIK, most experts think it will be the fastest computer to be released for at least ten years.

Please tell me this is a joke.

	27-07-2003 13:21									#10
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Yeah I just found this site: http://www.aceshardware.com/read_news.jsp?id=75000384

"Perhaps the biggest threat to Apple's performance claims is not compilers, but time. The Power Mac G5s are scheduled to ship in August, but Intel has already introduced the 3.2 GHz Pentium 4 this week, while both Athlon 64 and Prescott are on the horizon. The true performance test will lie in a wide array of application-level benchmarks, affording some perspective to users for how well the applications they use will perform."

Monkspider, I think you should retract your statement.

	27-07-2003 13:21									#11
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quote: AFAIK, most experts think it will be the fastest computer to be released for at least ten years.

That's what I heard as well. The piece I saw said that the G5 is so powerful that it will easily be the fastest computer on the planet until quantum computers are perfected, which might be able to dethrone it.

	27-07-2003 13:21									#12
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All that power from both computers is nice, but is there any real reason to purchase either chip in the immidiate future? Sure, eventually itll become standard requirements to nearly every intesnse program, but....

	27-07-2003 13:23									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: AFAIK, most experts think it will be the fastest computer to be released for at least ten years. That's what I heard as well. The piece I saw said that the G5 is so powerful that it will easily be the fastest computer on the planet until quantum computers are perfected, which might be able to dethrone it.

My link proves that is bullshit.

	27-07-2003 13:24									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar All that power from both computers is nice, but is there any real reason to purchase either chip in the immidiate future? Sure, eventually itll become standard requirements to nearly every intesnse program, but....

haha a cable modem is the most noticable feature for any normal computer user. the only reason to increase performance is eventually the programmers will make the word processor and operating system programs so bloated that they will drag down ur computer.

	27-07-2003 13:24									#15
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I think Drake was joking, Fez.

	27-07-2003 13:24									#16
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And yeah, Prescott/Pentium 5 is going to completely the G5.

And they'll be out around the same time.

God bless Apple...

	27-07-2003 13:24									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I think Drake was joking, Fez.

I need a humor.. mine sucks...

	27-07-2003 13:25									#18
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quote: My link proves that is bullshit.

You provide nothing!

	27-07-2003 13:26									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: My link proves that is bullshit. You provide nothing!

Hey, hey,, I admitted my humor sucks... don't push your luck..

	27-07-2003 13:27									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: My link proves that is bullshit. You provide nothing!

And yet you want to destroy Fezzies sense of humour...you criminal!

	27-07-2003 13:29									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar And yet you want to destroy Fezzies sense of humour...you criminal!

What sense of humor?

Anyways back to the topic, yeah the G5 is going to get its butt kicked when it comes out. I feel bad for the sorry bugger that falls for their highly deceptive advertisment campaign. Has the government open an investigation into that?

	27-07-2003 13:29									#22
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since this is degenerating I wna complain that my dad's office has to get new computers. even though they have absolutely no use for the added performance. but the mounting incompatability that bill keeps shoving on them gives them no choice.

I luv bill

	27-07-2003 13:30									#23
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quote: And yet you want to destroy Fezzies sense of humour...you criminal!

	27-07-2003 13:30									#24
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Thanks for the link, Fezzie.

http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/03/...tid=126&tid=181

	27-07-2003 13:32									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Thanks for the link, Fezzie. http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/03/...tid=126&tid=181

Yeah the credible source to turn to... I am sure this man's assurances is gonna prevent the pitfall of the G5.. not.

	27-07-2003 13:36									#26
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Why don't you think slashdot is a credible source?

For the record, I'm not endorsing the views presented in that article. I'm just trying to provide an alternative to the blustering pronouncements Asher flings at us all on a regular basis.

	27-07-2003 13:46									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Why don't you think slashdot is a credible source? For the record, I'm not endorsing the views presented in that article. I'm just trying to provide an alternative to the blustering pronouncements Asher flings at us all on a regular basis.

I like Asher's blustering pronouncements.

	27-07-2003 14:57									#28
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In one year the G5 will be @ 3 ghz (atleast that is what Steve Jobs said), and remember that the fastest of the G5 powermacs uses dual G5s.

	27-07-2003 15:27									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart In one year the G5 will be @ 3 ghz (atleast that is what Steve Jobs said), and remember that the fastest of the G5 powermacs uses dual G5s.

But ask yourself this, where will Intel and AMD be at in one year? 5 or 6GHz or something..

	27-07-2003 15:31									#30
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The biggest question about the G5 is how much its 64-bit architecture will speed up software designed to use it. These specs don't really take that into account and we won't really know until Panther comes out.