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The palestinian corridor is treated extra below:
"1.3 Safe passage/corridor from Gaza to the West Bank
Both sides agreed that there is going to be a safe passage from the north of Gaza (Beit Hanun) to the Hebron district, and that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip must be territorially linked. The nature of the regime governing the territorial link and sovereignty over it was not agreed."
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"Both of those quotes speak of the same thing."
No. I fail to see where you get the idea.
Anyway, there are no official records for Taba. A more pro-palestinian view is this:
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These maps are provided by FMEP, and are not disputed by the sides. According to the maps, the Palestinian state would have been permanently divided into several sub areas in the West Bank , separated by areas of Israeli Control. Striped areas would have remained under Israeli control for 12 to 20 years. The calculation that the Palestinians were getting 97% of the land ignores the area of Jerusalem and the striped areas. In actuality, the area of the Palestinian state would be about 70% of some 2,200 square miles. |
http://www.mideastweb.org/lastmaps.htm
That too is not my understanding, as the corridors would be subject to negotiation at a later stage. But I see it as highly unlikely they completely disappeared in the Taba round.
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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
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Originally posted by Kropotkin
It should however be noted that the larger bulk of the prisoners has not been arrested for terrorist-like activities but more of criminal activities. The Israeli government claims that no one "with blood on his hands" shall be released. |
So I guess that Israeli soldier who "accidentally" shot up some kids the other day at a checkpoint won't be released, right! 
Everyone over there has blood on their hands.
As for solving the Israeli-Palestinian issue - a few modest proposals:
(1) Level Jerusalem, then round up all of the artifacts important to any and all religions that give even a tangental damn about Jerusalem and dump these in the pacific. That's what you do when two 5-year olds fight over a toy - you take it away from both. No more Jerusalem, no more fighting about it. They had their cance to come to agreement with each other, have constantly failed to do so so now they should both lose.
(2) A contiguous Palestenian state OR alternately some beachfront property (taken from Israel) for Jordan if they agree to absorb the Palestinians. Even if this involves massive relocation for lots of people. Either the Palestinians should give up the west bank for equal land adjoining the gaza strip, or give up gaza for more land near the West Bank. Or give them an equal amount of land in some separate area of Israel all together. What people will have to give up their homes? Tough noogies.
(3) Either side, Palestinian or Israeli does what the **** their told to do or they get nothing. We tell Sharon to tear down settlements and he doesn't? No more weapons, no more aid, nothing. We tell the Palestinians to dismantle terrorist organizations and they don't? No more aid from the US or EU, and a blind eye is turned to whatever the Israelis want to do to dismantle the organizations on their own. This sort of treatment will enforce the absolute necessity of cooperating. Again, the continued dependency on the goodwill of the international community (the EU for palestine and the US for Israel) of each side must be made absolutely clear to them. When you are that dependent, you do what you are told when you are told.
Both the Israelis and Palestinians have been acting like overarmed bloody 5-year-olds since I can remember. Moreover, their complete inability to reach a reasonable accomodation on their own indicates the need to impose some fair solution on them.
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HershOstropoler
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Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are sufficiently depending on foreign aid to force them to accept a deal they can't live with.
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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
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Originally posted by Azazel
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I don't care about throwing stones. Anyone carrying a gun or a moltov around should be tossed in the clink. But the Israelis have a real double standard about how Palestinian lives stack up against Israeli lives.
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You raised the issue.
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I wonder who do the americans care about more, their dead, or someone else'? Same thing about every nation in the world. |
Everybody does it doesn't make it right. Moreover, once you occupy an area, you take responsibility for maintaining it. If you soldiers and cops start shooting indiscriminately, those soldiers or cops need punishment. If you don't like it, quit occupying it.
As for the US, our troops and leaders need to remember that liberating a people iclude giving them the right to peacibly assemble an petition for a redress of grievances. (Oddly, conservative hawks also want to round up arms in Iraq. What about the right to bear arms, guys? ****ing morons!)
[QUOTE In Iraq, just like in the west bank, there are nearly always armed people in the protesting crowd. [/QUOTE]
OK, so if anachists decide to use a peaceful anti-war demonstartion as a collection of human shields while they snipe at cops, NYC cops should be allowed to open fire indiscriminately on the crowd with machine guns? Wrong! Granted cops should get paid more, but it is their job to risk their own lives to protect the law abiding (including law abiding protesters).
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I would personally be shitting myself if I was a soldier w/ an assault rifle standing a post anywhere in the middle east and wasn't arab. the entire ****ing place suicide bombs, protests, shoots. and on top of it a bunch of frickin liberals keep telling me I need some form of omniscience in order to protect myself.
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HershOstropoler
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"The Palestinians have nothing, so they are in no position to do jack"
"What the hell is the problem with the residents of that region? Or is it something in the water?"
That should tell you that cutting off aid won't do miracles where Israeli occupation, mass arrests and extrajudicial killings have failed.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by The Templar
You don't need omniscience, just immanent danger. Police go into risky situations all the time, but guess what? They can't go in guns blazing. So neither should occupying troops. Non-combatant civilians have rights. This includes the right not to get shot by a jumpy soldier.
Don't like it, don't sign up. |
police in western countries simply aren't dealing with the situations u have in the middle east. the goal of a terrorist is to get his neighbor killed so his other neighbors become infuriated. u don't get this w/ "polce." so its not a compatible situation. u can't ask the israeli guards to simple martyr themselves on principle. as the tactics worsen the tension worsens.
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HershOstropoler
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How would you describe firing rockets into residential areas to kill suspected terrorist leaders?
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