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yavoon
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quote:
Originally posted by HershOstropoler
How would you describe firing rockets into residential areas to kill suspected terrorist leaders? |
good aim.
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HershOstropoler
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"good aim"
Well that asks for a tasteless reply, but I'll abstain.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:29
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hmmm
Templar seems like a descent honest man. I deem him possible for conversion / stance change.
Just to post an article about what Palestinian "freedom warriors" are all about :
(notice the planner is sharing bedrooms with... Arafat. Also Fatah is Arafat's party. He's the chairman of it.)
quote:
Shin Bet nabs Fatah man planning suicide bombings
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
It was released for publication Sunday that the
Shin Bet security service and Israel Defense
Forces last week arrested a Fatah activist
suspected of planning suicide bombings that were
to be carried out in the near future in Tel Aviv
or Netanya. The Shin Bet said that another
activist, hiding in Palestinian Authority Chairman
Yasser Arafat's Muqata compound in Ramallah, was
also involved in planning the attack.
The arrested militant, Issim
Faruh from Ramallah, confessed
to his interrogators that he
was to soon dispatch two women
to carry out suicide bombings
in Tel Aviv or Netanya
nighclubs. The two women were
supposed to arrive leave the
West Bank city of Nablus and
arrive in Ramallah, where they
would cross into Israel.
Faruh said that head of the organizing efforts
was Fatah activist Kamal Ra'anam, 26, who is
hiding in the Muqata and has recently been
involved in several shooting attcks in the
city, in which three Israelis were killed.
Over the weekend, Israel gave the Palestinian
Authority security apparatus details about
Ra'anam and demanded that he be arrested.
Security sources in Israel said that he has yet
to be taken into custody.
4 Palestinians arrested on suspicion of stabbing
attack
Four Palestinian residents of the northern
Jerusalem refugee camp of Shuefat were arrested
on suspicion of stabbing Pisgat Ze'ev resident
David Shilo last week, as he was riding his
bicycle next to the French Hill intersection.
Police said that the four confessed to the
attack and claimed that they were driven to do
so out of their hatred for Jews. A court Sunday
afternoon extended their remand by four days.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:29
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quote:
"blame" is not correct, Siro. They are not allowed to hide in civilian populations, and we're not allowed to bomb indiscriminately, which can mean, in this case, that we must weigh the potenetial civilian casualties vs. the potential benefit of the strike. 1st additional protocol to the Geneva convention, IIRC.
Of course, the above statement is as vague as it gets. |
Well of course it doesn't justify a nuke. But we are in no way forced to weigh the potential civilian casualties in any way different that any other action.
I specifically recall reading that we are allowed to use weapons in the city, if combatants hide there, to prevent this issue from becoming a 'war winning' strategy.
What most people don't get is that they are too used to policing everything, and there are issues which only the military can take care of (like terrorists in other countries).
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Sirotnikov: You're right about the terrorists being responsible but do you reall expect the truth to sway the die hard Jew haters? |
no. but I spot no jew haters in this thread. 
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HershOstropoler
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quote:
Originally posted by Azazel
war. |
So you are at war with... whom? The PA? Hamas?
Take any prisoners of war recently?
Siro:
"I specifically recall reading that we are allowed to use weapons in the city, if combatants hide there, to prevent this issue from becoming a 'war winning' strategy."
That is true for war. It may even be true for fighting terrorism. Not every extrajudicial killing is unjustified.
If we talk about Geneva, however, the more urgent issue would be for Israel to respect its obligations as an occupying power.
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HershOstropoler
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You know there is a little problem with a "war" that only has illegal combatants. Why are they combatants? Because it's a war. Why is it a war? Because there are combatants.
Next thing, drug deakers are illegal combatants in the war on drugs...
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HershOstropoler
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Ah, maybe this was the cause, ket me rephrase the sentence:
"You know there is a little problem with a "war" that is waged against illegal combatants only."
Just because a regular army is involved on one side doesn't make it a war.
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HershOstropoler
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Militarily organised combatants that control territory on both sides. IMO you could only be at war with the PA, not Hamas etc.
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HershOstropoler
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"IMO you're wrong, esp. since the realities of wars and powers have changed..."
So we are evolvong back to the 19th century? Maybe... but what is the definition then?
"I don't think the PA is a signatory to the geneva convention."
Irrelevant.
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HershOstropoler
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Is Hamas a political entity? If so, was Germany at war with the RAF? Does it mean that every terrorist organisation, due its poilitical aims, is a political entity - which means the state is at war with it? Can Hamas and Jihad be at war with each other?
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HershOstropoler
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Then the term "war" is totally meaningless.
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HershOstropoler
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Well what is its meaning under that broad a definition? What does it mean for the applicability of humanatarian law? How does it relate to domestic criminal law?
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HershOstropoler
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Ok, let's talk about food.
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