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Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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9/11 report advises U.S. spy chiefs to learn from Israel
By Haaretz Correspondent

WASHINGTON - American intelligence services should take a leaf out of Israel's book and cooperate with its security services to learn how to acquire intelligence from human sources, says the report from the U.S. congressional inquiry into the events of September 11, 2001.


In its recommendations the report calls for a new agency that "should endeavor to learn from both the successes and failures" of Israel's "humint" (human intelligence) strategy. "Their aggressive tactics and inventive use of non-official covers may serve as a useful guide for this new agency," the report continues. "The Israelis have had notable successes in penetrating terrorist organizations and we should learn from their efforts."

The congressional panel of inquiry advises that this new agency, if established, "may also want to consider some level of partnership with the Israeli humint services, given the amount of overlap in the terrorism and proliferation threats to both our national interests."

The report reveals that in October 1996 U.S. intelligence services "obtained information regarding an Iranian plot to hijack a Japanese plane over Israel and crash it into Tel Aviv. A passenger would board the plane in the Far East, commandeer the aircraft, order it to fly over Tel Aviv, and crash the plane into the city."

The incident is mentioned as one example of 12 in the seven years leading up to September 11 in which U.S. intelligence reports referred to the possibility of using a hijacked aircraft to perpetrate a terror attack in a densely-populated area.

The report also reveals that a San Diego businessman who had been an acquaintance of two of the September 11 hijackers had threatened in the past to kill a former Israeli intelligence officer living in the city. The report identifies the man as a U.S. citizen of Palestinian origin.

"The business owner informed the Israeli that he was a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization and that the orders to kill him had come from the PLO," the report says.

Shortly before the September 11 terror attacks, the FBI received information that the man had sold shares in his possession to help fighters in Afghanistan.


I think that it's time that our two nations joined together and shared our experience in human as well as technological intelligence.

I'm sure we could both learn from eachother. So I say to you - Welcome aboard!

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I thought it was Israel who did it?

Oh I forget, congressional inquiry, smoke and mirrors....

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We will share intel with the US, BUT we want New York in exchange.

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We will share intel with the US, BUT we want New York in exchange.



As long as we put Palestinians in New Jersey

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As long as we put Palestinians in New Jersey
They get Manchester.

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Which Manchester?

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Which Manchester?
The one in the UK.

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We will share intel with the US, BUT we want New York in exchange.


Don't you already own it?



*ack*

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Don't you already own it?



*ack*


That's what I thought...




...Tuberski? Is that you?

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As long as we put Palestinians in New Jersey


not even the Palestinians deserve a fate that bad

Az is offline Az
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Is NJ that bad?

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quote:
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We will share intel with the US, BUT we want New York in exchange.




You already own it anyway.

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hi ,

the good old footwork , humanint , ..... maybe some boys and girls on the " hill " should spend less money on comps and more on people , ......


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I thought it was Israel who did it?

Oh I forget, congressional inquiry, smoke and mirrors....


9/11 was a giant Jewish conspiracy! Just ask the Arabs they'll tell you.

Sad but true.

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9/11 was a giant Jewish conspiracy! Just ask the Arabs they'll tell you.

Sad but true.


any more of that bs , .....

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Is NJ that bad?


No.

I'll take it over New York in a heartbeat . I'm sure plenty of others would like the richest per capita state in the US .

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Maybe Israelis are better at keeping secrets - I'll try to explain this a bit, because a flat reading of that doesn't give what I'm trying to say.

The US (and other Western) agencies are heavily into OpSec, operational security. You don't need to know all the facts, just the ones to do your job.

Result - very few people actually know all the secrets.

The Israelis seem more unified - hence the information actually gets shared between different bits of the intelligence community.

The Israelis just strike me as more unified and less paranoid about sharing info with their own people.

The most paranoid, OpSec driven agencies are probably the Brit ones. Of course that's only a guess - but after several notable instances of top level leaks, I'd guess the SIS now spend their times hooded, gagged, in darkened rooms with blank monitors in front of them.

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any more of that bs , .....


Panag, I've heard several Arabs say that trash. Don't you realize when I am mocking them? Didn't you notice the shame smilie?

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The one in the UK.


But then we'd have to give Liverpool to the Israelis!

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We will share intel with the US, BUT we want New York in exchange.



why? when you already have florida?

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Are we confusing Israelis and Jews now?

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Florida is for old Jews. NYC is for younger ones.

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why? when you already have florida?


We dont WANT Florida.

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Panag, I've heard several Arabs say that trash. Don't you realize when I am mocking them? Didn't you notice the shame smilie?


The Arabs weren't the only purevyors of that trash. I heard the story in New York shortly after and it was even printed up in The Village Voice and some other papers. Supposedly Jewish employees called in sick. It doesn't take Arabs to think these things.

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Are we confusing Israelis and Jews now?


Like "England" and "Britain" I guess.

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That "All the Jews called in sick" story was started by Al Jeezera on 9/12. And it has been circling around in the Arab media ever since about how those dirty Jews did this because they so hate America. After all no Arab wouldever commit a terrorist attack.

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As far as I know Al-jazeera didn't report it in a news setting, though they might have covered it in one of their many discussion shows, which is usually the source of the most outrageous claims against them.

Al-Manar first reported it on 9/17, a lebanese news organization influenced by Hezbollah.

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they look pretty arab to me.

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Like "England" and "Britain" I guess.




Seriously though, there's a major problem in counting Jews and Israel as one and the same. Obviously not all Jews are from Israel just as not all Israelis are Jews.

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The Israelis / Jews issue is important to notice.


I read that Israel infact does have both high operations security and rivalry between agencies.

But I guess that the organizations are less politicized, smaller, and driven more by personal talents than beaurocracy, and thus are more effective.

And we probably have better HUMINT.

 
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