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Locutus is offline Locutus
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Mr Ogre will get the code in a week -- after that, it may be 3 days, it may be several weeks until we get it (but at least it's weeks, not months or longer).

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This is all great news, and I can't wait to see some of these ideas implemented

Unfortunately, after it is released in a week or two, there is going to be a ton of work to be done, and probably a very large learning curve, so we shouldn't expect any miracles right away. Rather, slow and steady improvements are more likely.... but, I digress, as I'm sure that everyone realizes this already .

One thing that I'd like to see is a revamped - bug free scenario/cheat editor. One that allows more options for tweaking the game etc. What I mean is having some of the slic commands implemented into the cheat editor, so that changes to unit attributes, addition of events etc. could be more easilly done by the slic impaired (such as myself )

Dale is offline Dale
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I would just like to see one thing. I actually LIKE CTP2 the way it is in SAP2. If we add new things, can we PLEASE have them as options? I don't want a whole new game.

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I'm seconding what most people said here:

Fix bugs (crashes, PBEM/hotseat, others)
Expand hard coded limits like sprite number
Expand SLIC capabilities.

Special attention should be paid to the compatibility of the game with existing stuff, in particular mods and savegames. I actually think that the savegame model should be changed so that, if you need to save edditional stuff, these stuff should go into extra files rather than the regular file (unless the save file has an inner grammar that allows it to skip parts of it, like xml if you meet an unknown xml tag). This could be done by creating save game directories instead of straight files, and the game would look for either a directory or a file.
Now maybe we won't change anything to the file save format, but, working on saves and versionning of a huge software, I know what a nightmare can come out of a bad design there.

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Thinking here, do we already need a SLIC thread? We have mentioned enhancing SLIC dozens of times, but very few specific things have been named.

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start one up then

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I was asking if we need one before starting it .

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I meant go a head make one it will give us the chance to discuses with none c++ programmes what there needs are

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Big Mc - your last post makes absolutely no sense to me beyond the "I meant go a head make one". What are you trying to say?

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it will give us the chance to talk with none c++ programmers and find out what there needs are

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Most who posted here aren't C++ programmers anyway.

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Is there a way to add a windowed option for the game? That would be one of the best additions i can think of.

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Aug 2001
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I've read in some posts about problems playing CTP2 with Windows XP, is there anything to this? and if so, can it be fixed via the source code?

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quote:
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I've read in some posts about problems playing CTP2 with Windows XP, is there anything to this? and if so, can it be fixed via the source code?


If you have the source code you can modify the programm as you want, as long as you have enough time and knows how to do it or there are enough people who do it for your. The real problem is that we don't know what the problems are with XP and therefore it is not easy to find them.

-Martin

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The problem with XP is that Microsuck wrote it!

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dont you mean micro$oft

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Gee, lemurs, where are you? Are all the ideas gone, everyone fainted, or what?

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Well, I've been trying to get to grips with C++.

But it's extra difficult when you're sitting in puddles of sweat. Jeez, it's hot around here lately.

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Yup, 40 degrees in Spain and Italy I hear, gee.

Good to see you're preparing for our big adventure .

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Hot? It's been averaging 12 degrees (that's celcius of course) for the last 2 months.

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I take it a windowed mode is too much work or just plain out of the question?

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A windowed mode should be doable. I don't know enough about that kind of thing to know how easy, and it likely depends greatly on how the display code works at persent.

Locutus is offline Locutus
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Windowed mode? Sure, we can do that. Most likely all we have to do is completely rebuild the game from scratch...

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Windowed mode? Sure, we can do that. Most likely all we have to do is completely rebuild the game from scratch...


I don't think so.

I don't know of course, how CtP2 is written, but if it is the "usual" Windows code, the output goes not to a device itself (like the screen), but to the operating system using a device context. That's just a data structure, and in terms of input/output it doesn't matter if this DC covers the whole screen or only the client area of a window (with clipping at its borders and maybe scrollbars, of course).

If it goes not straight to the Windows GDI, but through DirectX, things are a bit different. If DirectX 8+ is used (hardly, considering the release date), it should be easy doing by just altering the device initialization from fullscreen to windowed mode. With DirectX 7- (more likely) it's harder, but still doable.

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I am pretty confident that it goes through DirectX. I believe dxdiag can find out if the game uses DirectX...

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I'm pretty sure they use DirectX (5 or 6 IIRC).

Sure it's possible (what isn't?), but it's a hell of a lot of work, far more than is worth the trouble, IMHO.

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theres alot of games that run in windowed mode if u add this to the command like

C:/Program Files/Craptivision/CtP2 -win


however im taking it this dont work for CtP2
i could however just be a disabled function, could it be worth a look through the .exe for "-win"

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quote:
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I've read in some posts about problems playing CTP2 with Windows XP, is there anything to this? and if so, can it be fixed via the source code?


I seen a lot of people having problems with CTP2 on Win XP. I have found it to be a non issue. I've run it with XP home for a long time without any problems.

I just built a new system, running under Xp professional, and CTP2 w/ mods and modswapper runs quite smoothly.

Because of my experiences, I can only assume that there is some other issue involved, or else I've just been lucky.

A couple of suggestions:

1. Only play under accounts that have administrator privelages, I have seen this to be an issue with other games, in particular my wife's (got married about 2 weeks ago ) Sims games (I didn't want people to get confused and think they were mine )

2. Make sure that XP is up to date with all service packs etc.

3. If the version of XP, is an upgrade version, it may be necessary to do a complete reinstall.

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Centrifuge,

first:

(got married about 2 weeks ago)

Shall we congratulate or express our sympathy????????????


2nd.

You remember the old joke about the guy calling the help-line:
C: I have a problem
H: OK, what is happening?
C: I installed Windows.
H: And, you already said so.

But fixing problems of CTP2 with Windows (XP), I think that we won't be able to fix any of those really. That is beyond our 'scopes'. A lot of problems are coming through changed handling in Windoofs itself......

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Centrifuge,

first:

(got married about 2 weeks ago)

Shall we congratulate or express our sympathy????????????





How about congratulate for now, and save the sympathy for later on down the road...

Geez, I hope she doesn't read this

 
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