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DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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Democrats Derail Texas GOP Plan For House Seats

Redistricting Bill Has White House Support, but Not Enough Votes

AUSTIN, July 25 -- A White House-backed power play to grab more Republican congressional seats from Texas has been derailed by Democratic opposition, at least temporarily.

Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst (R) told reporters today that a redistricting plan that is expected to add seven Republican seats in the House did not have the votes to pass in a special session of the Texas Legislature that ends next week.

A similar effort in May led Democratic state legislators to flee to Oklahoma to break a quorum and prevent a vote on it.

Texas has 17 Democrats in Congress and 15 Republicans, but a proposed plan would give the Republicans 22 seats to the Democrats' 10.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), intent on adding to a narrow Republican advantage in the House, is leading the push to change the state's congressional districts. He says the state is dominated by Republicans and therefore should have more Republicans in Congress.

President Bush, a former governor of Texas, has not publicly involved himself in the effort, but White House political director Karl Rove has consulted with Dewhurst about it, a Dewhurst spokesman said.

Gov. Rick Perry (R), at the urging of Republican national leaders, called a special session this month to revive redistricting, but Democrats in the state Senate rallied enough support to scuttle it.

They have 11 seats in the 31-member Senate, but needed only that many votes because of a procedural tradition requiring two-thirds of the body to agree to take up a bill.

The current session will end Tuesday, but Perry has threatened to quickly call another special session. Dewhurst has said he may change procedures so that only a simple majority is needed to approve a vote on a bill.

Democrats are threatening to flee the state again if Republicans do not drop the plan.

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They are almost as bad as those Japanese fighting with each other, instead the dems just run and hide until the deadline has passed... Stupid, but a Nice tactic anyway

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"He says the state is dominated by Republicans and therefore should have more Republicans in Congress."

That's for the voters to decide, jackass.

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All silly politics...if we focused on issues rather than gerrymandered our way into perpetuaty, we'd be in a lot less trouble.

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I just dropped in to round up Michael.
Headed to the Red River.

Michael, can you get to the panhandle junctions?
I've some covering the Ouchita section.
I figure I can handle the middle by myself, if you can cover the Llano Estacado area.

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It's not about the people or the country. It's about expanding the party's power, comrade.

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
I just dropped in to round up Michael.
Headed to the Red River.

Michael, can you get to the panhandle junctions?
I've some covering the Ouchita section.
I figure I can handle the middle by myself, if you can cover the Llano Estado area.


Actually, Sloww, I was gonna bring y'all about ten million new Democrats via the Rio Grande.

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"He says the state is dominated by Republicans and therefore should have more Republicans in Congress."

That's for the voters to decide, jackass.
Aparently the Texas Democrats feel otherwise.

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So THAT'S why Texans want strong immigration laws...

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Aparently the Texas Democrats feel otherwise.


Because the GOP is trying to ram through a redistricting plan to their benefit, when one shouldn't be brought up again for another few years? The GOp is trying to circumvent the process to get what they want. I say, good for the Dems to teach them they can't get away with it.

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Doc! Goddamnit , Doc. I need help.
Gather some of your boys, high-tail it to the South.
I'll have Judge Scaevola looking for your arrival.

Damn.

Volunteers! I need volunteers here!

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Why should the minority party accept gerrymandering along party registrations, whether they're Democrats or not?

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You know, if we got rid of Congressional districts and had proportional voting in each state for the number of representatives, this wouldn't be a problem.

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Because the GOP is trying to ram through a redistricting plan to their benefit, when one shouldn't be brought up again for another few years? The GOp is trying to circumvent the process to get what they want. I say, good for the Dems to teach them they can't get away with it.



The Dems used a similar tactic a few years earlier. So its ok for the Dems to Do It but not The Reps? I dont agree w/ changing the rules, But whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander.(in this instance)

And yes Boris, Delay is A Gluteus Maximus Maximus. He is one of the main individual who has set Houston back w/ his anti-lightrail Agenda.

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Because the GOP is trying to ram through a redistricting plan to their benefit, when one shouldn't be brought up again for another few years? The GOp is trying to circumvent the process to get what they want.


You mean like the Dems have done in the past in that state?

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Why should the minority party accept gerrymandering along party registrations, whether they're Democrats or not?
Texas seems to be the only state where they run like whipped dogs though.

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Excuse me, but the Dems did NOT try to force redistricting in a year in which it was not supposed to be brought up? This would be akin to trying to force a new census in 2004.

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I'm just surprised that the Texans haven't yet tried to redraw their boarders to increase the size of their state

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Hell no. More perimeter to guard.
I don't mind the Mexicans so much, we always need roofers; it's the Okies I can't handle.

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Go Dems. I hate gerrymandering, republican scumbags.

just admit it, the republicans are anti-democratic.

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I don't support the Democrats if they did it--I don't know the specifics on that matter so I can't tell you anything more than gerrymandering is bad.

But we do know now that the Republicans are doing it, and it's wrong. Remember, guys: [cheap phrase]Two rights don't make a wrong [/cheap phrase]

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Excuse me, but the Dems did NOT try to force redistricting in a year in which it was not supposed to be brought up?


Of course they have. Under Texas law when all redistricting is not completed in the year after the census (as in this case), it goes to the courts and then is resubmitted in the next legislative session.

This HAS happened in the past... usually without incident, but one year the Republicans walked out of a redistricting plan in mid decade by the Democrats (during the 1960s). Now the Republicans were too small to prevent a vote, so the legislative body was not paralyzed, but don't fool yourself that the Democrats have not done this before.

Both parties are willing to change sides on a issue if they find themselves in that position.

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I don't support the Democrats if they did it--I don't know the specifics on that matter so I can't tell you anything more than gerrymandering is bad.

[cheap phrase]Two rights don't make a wrong [/cheap phrase]


You are wrong 2 rights make a U -turn

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Both parties try to cheat with districts. They try to keep their supports all in one group and then cut the other guys supports into several different districts.

I wish we could have a none political emperical way of designating districts such as they must be as close ot a square shape as possible and they must be as densely populated as possible. If we could take the redistricting decisions away from the interested parties then we might just get a better democracy.

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Hehe... that's true. Plenty of non-partisan publications (Center for Voting and Democracy and the Almanac of American Politics) consider the Texas Democrats work in the 90s to be the most effective partisan gerrymandering in the country.

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Those Dems are such cowards.

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I wish we could have a none political emperical way of designating districts such as they must be as close ot a square shape as possible and they must be as densely populated as possible. If we could take the redistricting decisions away from the interested parties then we might just get a better democracy.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0529/p09s01-coop.html

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Definitely an embarrassement to Ann Richards.
Ann rocks.

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Speak for yourself, creationist. Why is preventing gerrymandering cowardly? Oh, that is right you are anti-democratic like all republicans.

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And remember fellahs, redrawing court made lines by the legislature ain't illegal in anyway. In 1984, for example, the California Legislature was forced to redraw the congressional map after a statewide referendum overturned the existing lines.

 
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