30-07-2003 02:33									#31
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I think one of the main problems in more traditional martial arts is that there are tons of techniques. I prefer few techniques (like yes, 3 or 4 standing up) and knowing them in your sleep. It is useless to teach/learn too many techniques, when many of them are difficult to use in real life (even if they should work, it depends who does them and if he/she really knows how to do them).

So it mixes up the little heads of students, and when they get into situation, and the opponent strikes first and leaves you with your front tooth throught the lip, they forget almost every technique they have studied.
Keep It Simple (Stupid), Yeah the KISS rule is excellent.

Standing up, you only really need to learn few different punches, some blocking maybe, and few kicks. That's all.
And then learn them GOOOOOOOOOD. Then some movement, and then you need to learn doing them with an opponent, sparring. So you get a touch on things and then you focus on doing them better. Just few things, that's all.

The ground game is more complex IMO, and that's where you need an arsenal of different things, but traditional martial arts do not focus on it that much. So I don't understand why you need that big of an arsenal in stand up, when you can't learn them good except if you train long or if you are very talented. That is my opinion.

	30-07-2003 02:36									#32
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Just work various jab-cross-hook combos, make sure you always keep forward pressure on the opponent, move around a lot, and certainly learn how to pull off the Thai leg kick (also can go to kidneys, elsewhere) and the basic push kick. Learn how to catch high kicks, cover up to absorb punches (or do basic blocks), and learn how to block a leg kick (very important). Don't get into trap fighting or complicated blocking techniques, this stuff is useless.

But that's about all you need to know for standup. No jumping punches, no spinning crescent kicks, nothing like that is necessary.

	30-07-2003 02:42									#33
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Excellent advices.

Also I can not stress enough how important sparring, hard sparring is. You have learned theory, now you need to put it in practice, because then you really learn how to do them. No, not doing techniques with the partner, but sparring. Time for some butt kicking!

But I don't know if kids aged between 4-6 should do that. I don't think they should be sparring. Maybe when she gets like 13-15? Besides, I found out that most girls didn't want to do sparring. THere were few though...
So, personally I'd go for the fun aspect of things.
And I doubt that she wants to go for the whole nine yards in the game, though there are ladies doing vale tudo type of real fights, but .. I doubt she wants that. I doubt they even allow kids aged 4 to 6 do that.

But of course it would be good, so she can literally trash boyfriend candidates that have the busy hands.

	30-07-2003 02:45									#34
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You can always try different things out too. If she comes home crying everytime, then it wasn't fun and shouldn't do that. Well, they'll always have times when they don't find things fun but that doesn't mean they should quit it right then, changing moods.. Also if the instructor is too ambitious, I wouldn't go there.. 'give me 100 push ups, and parter.. you'll kick her in the stomach after every push up!'.. that kind of thing isn't fun for kids.
What the heck am I talking, you're the parent and the expert, I'm the weird dude

	30-07-2003 03:04									#35
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd As for Kung Fu, I have a friend who took Wing Chun once. Once I started doing Valetudo/Brazilian Jiujitsu/Muay Thai, I killed him every time we sparred. He would actually get pissed at me.

This reminds me of something my karate instructor once said. There was a Wing Chun class next to us, and at the time I didn't know what martial art they were practicing. So I ask my karate instructor, "What are they doing?" and he says to me, "Wasting their time."

	30-07-2003 03:06									#36
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Ever hear of Mexican Judo?


Judo don't know if I got a knife, judo don't know if I got a gun, judo don't know nothing.

	30-07-2003 04:29									#37
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quote: Originally posted by CorpusScorpius go here to see the consequences of fighting wild animalshttp://www.darwinawards.com/

quote: A rather impressionable student of kung fu listened with rapt attention when his instructor dramatically informed the class, "Now that you have reached this level in your training, you can kill wild animals with your bare hands!" The martial arts trainee took the statement as gospel, and headed to the Melbourne zoo to test his mettle with the wildest animal of all: the lion. In the dead of night, he slipped into the zoo, leapt into the lion enclosure, and engaged a suitable king of the jungle in combat. He would probably have lost a one-on-one fight, but he never got to try. His naive fight plan didn't account for the enthusiasm of the lion's pride for a tender intruder; nor did it give sufficient weight to the possibility that his instructor didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Zoo employees found his remains -- two arms and hands -- the following morning, with shreds of red fur grasped tightly in his fingers.

(i laughed when i first started reading) why would anyone ever seriously engage a lion? those ****ers are huge... let alone their jaws and claws... barehanded no man would stand a chance

	30-07-2003 05:03									#38
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Haven't i heard you talk about Krav Maga (or however you spell it) as well Pekka? Where does that rank in the scheme of things?

	30-07-2003 05:08									#39
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Krav Maga is pretty good, actually.

	30-07-2003 05:31									#40
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Krav Maga ranks pretty top. Good for self defense, definitely. Realistic.

	30-07-2003 05:46									#41
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I have an uncle who is a martial arts expert and I have been studying To-Shin Do at his school for a while. To-Shin Do is similar to Ninjitsu. He has also studied many other arts and won quite a few Judo competitions, he has decided to focus on To-Shin Do though, so I would recomend either that or Ninjitsu.

	30-07-2003 07:28									#42
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Kung Fu is better if only for Drunken Fighting

	30-07-2003 07:56									#43
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Sheik,

The major problems I see with To-Shin Do is that part of the training includes philosophy, and that weapons training is emphasized to some extent. The philosophical aspects aren't a problem if that's what you are looking for, but if you want to learn realistic self defense, philosophy should be kept out in favor of more fighting, more practice/sparring. The problem I have with weapons training is that you aren't likely to be carrying around the weapons when you would need them, and in any case, if you want a weapon, a handgun is your best choice anyway.

Having never taken it, though, I'm somewhat unfamiliar with the specific aspects of it - are forms taught?

	30-07-2003 09:02									#44
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You must be without way - formless, like water.

	30-07-2003 10:12									#45
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the tao is the way...

	30-07-2003 10:46									#46
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Kramerman,

If you want to meet up again and work out somewhere on campus (probably either 9th floor of Belmont or the Rec Center), I can maybe show you a variety of stuff, and you can decide what you like.

	30-07-2003 11:00									#47
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edit: i misunderstood you. that would be cool. i dont want you to come out of your way tho. i remember you saying you got together with others to work out occasionally... i could just come and watch yall then, and then maybe before or after you could show me stuff. just give me a few days heads up with a pm or somethn.

	30-07-2003 11:01									#48
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My schedule is odd, too, due to my working 6 days/week right now.

	30-07-2003 11:05									#49
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sry, i edited my previous post... i guess you saw the original text.

	30-07-2003 11:06									#50
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Nah, I love doing it, actually, so it really isn't a problem, except for the time frame.

	30-07-2003 11:37									#51
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its no pressing matter at the moment anyway, so whatever works. I've started strength training (and i wanna get back into running) and i would like to persue that to some end before moving on... in other words strength is my present priority, but i very much do want to learn some effective form of martial arts in the near future. i would very much appreciate your help, but dont worry about it anytime soon.

but, for starters, maybe you or someone else could tell me what im looking for so that i could read into it a bit.

Im looking for a form that is somewhat well balaced between defense and offense, maybe a little heavier on the offense (but with some effective blocking techniques). I say this because im aggressive when i feel threatened or angered, and therefor would ideally want to counter attack (i dont pick fights, but if i see one coming i would like to meet it head on, if possible in other words), but blocks are always good, especially since i have a weird fear of being suprised (as in a mugging or something) and may not be able to meet the attacker.

i know another consideration i should take in considering a discipline is my body type. DF, you met me, so you kinda know what im like. Im about 6 feet tall and of a light build. altho i can lift my own body weight much better than most people, im probably just at average male upper body strength for my age (18) when it comes to lifting raw weight (if not a little below, for now), and little above average lower body strength (way above for my body weight, so i can jump really high and sprint really fast).

when im in shape i have a lot of endurance (5:20 is my best mile time for a frame of reference, tho i never really trained for it), but im far out of shape now and probably just be run a 7:00 mile. Im only moderately flexible, so high kicks would be tough without practice, but id like to know them to take advantage of my leg strength. i really like to punch and hit with my fists tho... i have abnormally boney knuckles that are pretty desensitized to pain...

my coordination and reflexes are good, but probably not better than anyone else who seriously persues martial arts, but im confident i could block and strike quickly and speed is really what i want to focus on.

does anything come to mind that you think might somewhat fit me?

	30-07-2003 11:40									#52
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Muay Thai sounds like a good starting point, with an early emphasis on boxing. You're a fairly big guy, with good reach, and as it sounds as if you are interested in offense, you're in luck. Muay Thai is extremely offensive.

	30-07-2003 11:43									#53
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I recommend the "Drunken Monkey" style, and the "Scared Zebra" technique.

Oh, and watch more hong kong movies.....

	30-07-2003 11:47									#54
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sounds good ill try and read up on it a bit

	30-07-2003 13:39									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia Right now I'm taking mantis gongfu and Muay Thai kick boxing. The former is extremely good for grapples and trips and joint locks. [Snipped] I've also seen tiger style gongfu (Nan Quan - southern fist) and that looks very interesting. Mantis and tiger are both quite circular in the way they work - you're usually circling your opponent instead of going at them head-on.

Are you sure? I took both before. IIRC, Tiger style is very straight forward - attack your opponent head-on (yeah, much like a tiger ). Maybe you have confused it with White Crane? That's a much more "circling around to wait for opening" style.

Taichi is excellent too. I highly recommend taking it together with a more agressive form.

	30-07-2003 13:41									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis This reminds me of something my karate instructor once said. There was a Wing Chun class next to us, and at the time I didn't know what martial art they were practicing. So I ask my karate instructor, "What are they doing?" and he says to me, "Wasting their time."

That does not surprise me at all. It's like asking at a Burger King joint about a McD place next door.

	30-07-2003 13:48									#57
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quote: IIRC, Tiger style is very straight forward - attack your opponent head-on (yeah, much like a tiger ).

Don't tigers use their camoflauge to sneak up on prey and kill it without warning?

Why should we trust a martial art that doesn't even understand the behavior of the animals it tries to copy?

	30-07-2003 13:55									#58
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Big cats hunt in two general ways: by relying on speed and suprise or by relying on strength. Cheetahs are of the former type, tigers are of the latter type.

	30-07-2003 14:01									#59
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Tigers rely on surprise just as much as strength. They hardly attack head-on.

	30-07-2003 14:52									#60
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I did semi-contact karate for a few years. What you do really depends on what you want to achieve.

If you want a leisure interest for balance and fitness you are probably better off looking at tai chi, possibly alongside a gentler kung fu style. If you want competition fighting then one of the karate styles will do. If your interest is self defence then ju-jitsu or a derivative, particularly if you are a smaller person, was originally intended for that and some classes will deal with responding to "real life" situations and multiple opponents. If you want to train and develop fighting responses then any of the kickboxing styles is good for that kind of conditioning.

If your kids want to do a martial art that includes sparring, make sure they are kitted out with the protective gear and don't push them if they don't like it.

So think exactly what you are looking for.