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David Floyd
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First of all, never, ever take Kenpo. I took it for about a year, and it was horrible.
As for Kung Fu, I have a friend who took Wing Chun once. Once I started doing Valetudo/Brazilian Jiujitsu/Muay Thai, I killed him every time we sparred. He would actually get pissed at me.
The French style of fighting is Savate, and I don't recommend this, either.
There are various forms of Karate (Ishin-ryu, Shotokan, Goju, etc.), but honestly, I wouldn't take any of them. Like the various Kung Fu styles, the Karate styles are much too limited.
If this is your first foray into martial arts, I would recommend starting off with some boxing, or, preferably, Muay Thai, and eventually get into Brazilian Jiujitsu. There are a couple of places here in Austin where you can go for both.
chegitz,
You mentioned Aikido and Hapkido. I can tell you definitely that Aikido is not considered a kickboxing style.
Muay Thai is generally recognized as the superior style of kickboxing.
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David Floyd
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Jan 1970
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Kramerman,
SEALs use something called SAFTA, I believe. It's effective, but not something you would want to learn - it's effective from the standpoint of killing, but not conventional self defense.
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Yes.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Possibly I am mistaken in saying that is the system that SEALs use. I know that Jon Hess is a joke of a fighter, though.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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do you think a man who was an expert at a fighting style could take down an animal much larger than himself? This probably seems like a random question, but iwas just reading about how enrmously powerful chimpanzees are, and how they could break a human being in half... could a expert martial artist take down a chimp? I hope so... |
I suppose it really depends, but ****ing with large animals isn't a good idea unless done from 100 yards with a rifle.
I would tend to doubt it, simply because animals are built differently from humans. They have different vulnerable spots, different "tough" spots, are conditioned differently, etc. I suppose if you trained specifically to fight large animals, studied their anatomy, etc., it could be done, but that seems kinda useless and kinda stupid.
Oh, and by the way, the term "expert martial artist" does not translate to "competent fighter". It simply means he know his system well, and can do a lot of forms, and things of that nature.
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Kramerman
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
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Originally posted by David Floyd
I suppose it really depends, but ****ing with large animals isn't a good idea unless done from 100 yards with a rifle.
I would tend to doubt it, simply because animals are built differently from humans. They have different vulnerable spots, different "tough" spots, are conditioned differently, etc. I suppose if you trained specifically to fight large animals, studied their anatomy, etc., it could be done, but that seems kinda useless and kinda stupid.
Oh, and by the way, the term "expert martial artist" does not translate to "competent fighter". It simply means he know his system well, and can do a lot of forms, and things of that nature. |
ok, just curious... i just think it would be cool to meet a guy who says something to the affect, "yeah, i just got back form taking down a moose with my bare hands... anyone hungry?"
also, i remember reading about some guy who around the turne of the century wrestled lions. It was a circus act, after all, so i question how genuine the fight was, but still very impressive. I was wondering the validity of this as well.
EDIT: i agree tho, i personally would never get close to a big wild animal without a 30-06
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:29
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Kramerman, depends where you serve and what kind of a bad ass you're supposed to be, but nothing much.
I was active in doing the sport back then though, so I got to train 3 times a week in the 'gym' and had few buddies there too who were doing the same thing, so we sparred and trained together. Later on as two of us became trainers, we had the liberty to teach some limited striking and more realistic close combat fighting, but nothing much. We trained together more, but in general they don't teach very much. But here everyone is a natural, so there's no need 
So let's say I didn't learn anything new personally, but it was good times. There is a problem you know, almost every men serves, so it's a bit of a problem if every man here walking down the streets knows killing techniques with their hands you know  .
Though I think in the special forces they might have something nice.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
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JohnT,
I think the first thing to realize is that AT HER AGE, any value gained from martial arts classes will not be in self defense, but rather in discipline/respect. With that in mind, the actual style isn't really relevant. Tae Kwon Do is fine. One other thing to make sure of is that she can relate to the other kids in the class, and the instructor - I wouldn't recommend putting her in an all Asian class, because the culture/mindsets will be different and she might not enjoy it.
What you'll want to do, in my opinion, is find a school with a good children's program, and an instructor whom you like.
When she gets older, if you (and her) want to continue on with the self defense aspects, that's something different. It's important to realize, though, that as a female, she's less suited to physical self defense than males (in general), and as such, you'll want to find a school focused towards self defense for women rather than self defense in general.
Make sense?
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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But it's hard to say which style is better when talking about these traditional martial arts.. at least for me it is. It depends on who is doing it.
Then you put them to fight and see who wins? How do you measure, if the representors of both styles are at the same level? Tough to say..
And as for Sophie, I'd check out the local gyms and see myself what their thing is like, what kind of atmosphere they have, are the teachers good, do they seem like good persons and the person teach your kid, is it a long drive, how much it costs, and if the kid shows interest to some of them more than others... then maybe that should be the place. I don't know I'm just babbling.
But I know TKD is not bad for kids, and there are lots of girls and boys of early age doing it at least in here and they seem to have a good time. When for example you shouldn't take her to boxing. Damn it, ask David! Oh you did....
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
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SnOOpy,
Actually, the phrase is "The best defense is a good offense". In any case, though, it is hard to make a superiority distinction between kung fu styles and karate styles. Very often, a very large, but untrained, person will take out pretty much any Karate or Kung Fu stylist he fights. Fights generally end up on the ground, and unfortunately, most traditional martial arts do not have effective ground fighting techniques. Karate certainly doesn't, and the Kung Fu grappling styles aren't much better, from the standpoint of realistic self defense.
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29-07-2003 21:51
I don't have any facts though.
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