30-07-2003 10:41									#1
	Tabbed browsing in Internet Explorer Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Now stop whining: http://www.myie2.com/html_en/home.htm

Tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, google bar support, ad blocker, popup blocker, skinning support, and it actually uses IE to render the webpages and it looks like IE.

You can even click links and drag them to a tab, and it'll open them there...

It's freeware, BTW.

	30-07-2003 11:29									#2
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it actually uses IE to render the webpages

How is this a good thing? MSIE can't handle PNGs or CSS. It also misrenders loads of other things, but let's not get into that.

Tabbed browsing

Same problem as in Mozilla/Firebird. The tabs cannot be moved to the left (or right) side of the screen.

mouse gestures

Unlike AvantWhatever, this actually uses the standard mouse gestures for back and forward. Not in the same league as the customizable mouse gestures for everything in Opera 7.10, but better than some things out there.

You can even click links and drag them to a tab, and it'll open them there...

That's only useful because it won't let you drag and drop tabs around the way Opera will. Toolbar customization is also the standard clumsy affair rather than the joy it is in Opera.

Things I've noticed:
-text zooming won't work on my site just as in standard IE
-no support for LINK element navigation as defined years ago in HTML 4.01. I find the Search link especially convenient on Slashdot and use other buttons elsewhere.
-Unsurprisingly, it lacks the Show Images and Author Mode buttons that I've come to depend on to make braindead sites behave the way I want them to. No FastForward either, but I can live without FF.
-Why does it have separate buttons for Stop and Reload? Even friggin' Safari has caught on to that they are never needed at the same time and combined their slot.
-the bundled Mozilla skin is extremely ugly compared to both actual Mozilla and Opera's excellent Mozilla skin that I am using right now.:P


In conclusion, it's the best Opera clone I've seen, but it's dragged down by the MSIE engine. I wish someone would wrap Opera's interface around the Mozilla engine (not that Opera's engine is bad, but the ad takes up some space I'd rather have free). I really fail to see the point to why someone would want to use a wrapper for a browser that will no longer be updated, but, hey, it's a free planet.

	30-07-2003 12:09									#3
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I just tried Opera. I must admit, it is the best browser out there right now.

Interesting.

How did this happen?

	30-07-2003 12:24									#4
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St. Leo: How can I customize the mouse gestures in Opera?

	30-07-2003 13:02									#5
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Hooray for tabbed browsing!



I'll check it out if I ever get sick of Opera. Or it does something better than Opera. Opera. Opera Opera.

	30-07-2003 13:04									#6
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Go Opera!

	30-07-2003 13:15									#7
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* ixnay also voices support for Opera

	30-07-2003 13:37									#8
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Opera

	30-07-2003 13:49									#9
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quote: How is this a good thing? MSIE can't handle PNGs or CSS

ah yes? Well I use CSS and it works perfectly.

	30-07-2003 14:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by geeslaka St. Leo: How can I customize the mouse gestures in Opera?

File > Preferences > Mouse and Keyboard > Edit (on the Mouse setup bit, not the keyboard obviously)

	30-07-2003 15:47									#11
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opera is quite thhe innovator, no?

	30-07-2003 16:32									#12
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All this love of opera warms my heart.

	30-07-2003 17:58									#13
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo How is this a good thing? MSIE can't handle PNGs or CSS. It also misrenders loads of other things, but let's not get into that.

It supports CSS and PNGs fine, just not alpha transparancy in the PNGs. Even then, as soon as you install QuickTime (which most people have), it takes over running embedded PNGs.

quote: Same problem as in Mozilla/Firebird. The tabs cannot be moved to the left (or right) side of the screen.

This is a problem?
Even the people I know with Opera don't put tabs on the left or right...why would anyone do that? Text reads left-to-right, putting tabs on the left or right is just stupid...

As for why it's a good thing that it uses the IE engine -- 95% of web browsers are IE. Around 1% are Opera. Which do you think will work in most sites?

Rather than getting your panties in a twist over supporting paper W3C standards, why don't you wake up and realize the only standards that truly matter are the platforms the web designers make their sites for? In this case, it's IE all around.

	30-07-2003 18:22									#14
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Huzzah!

*OOM-pah-pah, OOM-pah-pah*

Libiamo ne' lieti calici,
che la bellezza infiora;
e la fuggevol ora
s'inebriì a voluttà.
Libiam ne' dolci fremiti
che suscita l'amore,
poichè quell'occhio al core
onnipotente va.
Libiamo, amore, amor fra i calici
più caldi baci avrà!

	30-07-2003 18:35									#15
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Did anyone mention how great Opera is yet?

	30-07-2003 18:35									#16
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Woohoo!
Thanks, Asher

	30-07-2003 18:36									#17
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(whoops)

	30-07-2003 19:10									#18
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Nice!

I switched back to WinXP until Mandrake 9.2 and linux 2.6.x kernel comes out. Im getting fed up of constantly being tempted to fiddle with options in Linux... its time consuming

	30-07-2003 19:19									#19
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Sounds kinda nice. I'll download and see later--right now I'm busy.

	30-07-2003 23:56									#20
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Boo! Opera

	31-07-2003 00:21									#21
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Thanks, St Leo.
(I just saw your post)

	31-07-2003 02:52									#22
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Installation is easy
The screen is confusing and cluttered
It has the same render problems as IE does
Its skins are half-assed failures
Lots of easy options

Overall: ... Overall, an ugly, badly done interface, combined with the failure that is relying on IE.

	31-07-2003 03:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It supports CSS and PNGs fine, just not alpha transparancy in the PNGs. Even then, as soon as you install QuickTime (which most people have), it takes over running embedded PNGs.

IE doesn't support :hover except in the most limited fashion and it does not support the content property at all. There are many other unimplemented selectors.

quote: This is a problem? Even the people I know with Opera don't put tabs on the left or right...why would anyone do that? Text reads left-to-right, putting tabs on the left or right is just stupid...

It keeps tab titles readable even when you have twenty or more open and it's quicker to scan. Think of bulleted lists. Would you really want all the bullets to be in one line?

quote: Rather than getting your panties in a twist over supporting paper W3C standards, why don't you wake up and realize the only standards that truly matter are the platforms the web designers make their sites for? In this case, it's IE all around.

IE will go the way of Netscape 4 as soon as computer adoption by new users flattens and the advantages of a browser being prebundled disappear. Computer illiteracy won't last in spite of .NET and all the other ploys to fuzzy-coat reality.

	31-07-2003 03:42									#24
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Mozzie 4 evah!!!111

	31-07-2003 03:46									#25
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I like Opera better than this new thing, but I can't use Opera for e-mail and looking up grades for college. Thus this has a use. Thanks Asher.

	31-07-2003 03:55									#26
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I actually use Konqueror, I only use Opera for one page that Konqueror doesn't handle properly.(it's not this page)

	31-07-2003 07:39									#27
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo IE will go the way of Netscape 4 as soon as computer adoption by new users flattens and the advantages of a browser being prebundled disappear. Computer illiteracy won't last in spite of .NET and all the other ploys to fuzzy-coat reality.

Wake up, Leo -- IE's market share continues to grow, even during the 2 years where PC sales were flat or declining!

	31-07-2003 07:40									#28
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Internet Explorer will remain in the lead. Microsoft knows how to monopolise.

Meanwhile, a small-to-medium percentage of computer users will be using REAL browsers, not some pansy-ass prebundled ****.

	31-07-2003 07:42									#29
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0.6% is less than small, methinks.

	31-07-2003 07:49									#30
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Remember, Opera default reports itself as Internet Explorer. They're probably not the only ones.

(Oh, and source?)