31-07-2003 21:49									#61
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Che - Weapons of Mass Destruction is so...."yesterday's news" man! Catch up with the times, will you! The new and improved government position (with 30% more flavor) is that the Iraqi people were being oppressed by the tyrant in the desert.

So, it's okay to send our boys over there to die for their freedom, but we can't be arsed to pick the ones we find in the Florida straits (who are also fleeing from an oppressive state) and protect them.

And that's not hypocritical?

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	31-07-2003 21:50									#62
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quote: Originally posted by oedo what I know is that it´s always been part of the US policy taking refugees and giving them a chance starting a new and better life in freedom.

We only take political refugees. Most of the people coming from Cuba aer economic refugees. We are no different from any other country in this regard, except that any Cuban who actually makes to land is automatically granted political refugee status.

	31-07-2003 21:50									#63
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I'm beginning to loose track of who is on what side here.

	31-07-2003 21:51									#64
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quote: Only problem is that Cuban's coming here are vastly economic refugees, not political ones. Cuba's regime isn't nearly as repressive as, say, Saudi Arabia's. Why don't we allow incoming Saudi's instanct citizenship?

But then isn't it inconsistent, if in fact the regime is not as bad as others, to maintain the sanctions and other political barriers against Cuba? From a political standpoint.

	31-07-2003 21:51									#65
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Boris - they're asking for political asylum, not insta-citizenship. But again, there's nothing in Cuba we want, so of course we can't be arsed to give a damn, right?

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	31-07-2003 21:52									#66
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Sprayber - essentially, Boris and chegitz are on your side


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	31-07-2003 21:54									#67
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Hey, but if we leaked a news story 'bout how Castro has tons of chemical warheads aimed at a variety of US cities....that'd prolly be worth an invasion....or at least a police action!

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	31-07-2003 21:55									#68
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quote: We only take political refugees. Most of the people coming from Cuba aer economic refugees. We are no different from any other country in this regard, except that any Cuban who actually makes to land is automatically granted political refugee status.

This applies to your quote and Boris's: So should we take a vote when we pick up these people?

"Who's coming for a better life? .... Alright, back on the boat!"

"Who's fleeing from prison? ... Right this way..."

	31-07-2003 21:57									#69
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quote: Hey, but if we leaked a news story 'bout how Castro has tons of chemical warheads aimed at a variety of US cities....that'd prolly be worth an invasion....or at least a police action!

Actually, if you'll recall there was a big to-do last summer about Castro helping in making weapons of mass destruction... until Bush realized that we weren't going to make it QUITE that easy for him to line up all of America's major enemies in the last 40 years and take them out with one swoop.

	31-07-2003 22:00									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx Boris - they're asking for political asylum, not insta-citizenship. But again, there's nothing in Cuba we want, so of course we can't be arsed to give a damn, right? -=Vel=-

Of course they are, because they know that any Cuban who asks for political asylum will be automatically granted it, without a hearing. No one else gets that treatment. Basically, it's a free ticket to live in America. Since you know you will be turned back for any other reason than claiming political refugee status, why would anyone be so stupid as to claim to be anything but a plitical refugee? I mean, come on, don't be so incredulous.

Hell, if even I'm defending Bush on this one, then it's gotta be right. I mean, that man can't do anything but screw up.

	31-07-2003 22:00									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II This applies to your quote and Boris's: So should we take a vote when we pick up these people? "Who's coming for a better life? .... Alright, back on the boat!" "Who's fleeing from prison? ... Right this way..."

I'd rather not give Castro the option of emptying out his prision system on American shores.

	31-07-2003 22:01									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx Hey, but if we leaked a news story 'bout how Castro has tons of chemical warheads aimed at a variety of US cities....that'd prolly be worth an invasion....or at least a police action! -=Vel=-

They tried that last you but that dog wouldn't hunt. No one believed Bush and Castro said come and check for yourselves.

	31-07-2003 22:02									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I'd rather not give Castro the option of emptying out his prision system on American shores.

He's only done it twice before.

	31-07-2003 22:02									#74
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I've decided to sniper Castro and his sons, so that's not a concern.

	31-07-2003 22:02									#75
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You and me both, brother!

	31-07-2003 22:02									#76
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I've decided to sniper Castro and his sons, so that's not a concern.

Threatening a foreign leader is a crime in the United States.

	31-07-2003 22:03									#77
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Inconsistent is inconsistent. If we're serious about liberty for folks living under oppressive regiemes (serious enough to spin it that way in Iraq and send Americans there to die for it), then it wouldn't be any skin off our noses to let the guys on the boat come on by, now would it?

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	31-07-2003 22:03									#78
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There are definitely some STRANGE bedfellows in this discussion.....

	31-07-2003 22:04									#79
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quote: Inconsistent is inconsistent. If we're serious about liberty for folks living under oppressive regiemes (serious enough to spin it that way in Iraq and send Americans there to die for it), then it wouldn't be any skin off our noses to let the guys on the boat come on by, now would it?

So how about if we just say that the whole Iraq thing was a crock of sh*t and that we really don't care about liberty for people around the world? Would that be satisfactory then?

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Yep. That would put things in a much clearer light, actually....

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	31-07-2003 22:08									#81
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara He's only done it twice before.

I used to live near one of the places they kept a lot of them back then.

We said Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free and he sent us his corrupt, his theives, his yearning to relieve me of my wallet.

	31-07-2003 22:10									#82
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Btw, it's been awhile since I've posted here (too long actually). Have the mods just given up all hope to curb "colorful" language, or is it just me?

::grabs Sprayber's wallet::

	31-07-2003 22:11									#83
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nahhh, we've just gotten really good at finding ways around the auto-censor...

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	31-07-2003 22:12									#84
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quote: Bullshit.

I wouldn't exactly call that getting around the auto-censor...

	31-07-2003 22:14									#85
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Okay, so maybe they've toned it down a little bit....

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	31-07-2003 22:14									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II Btw, it's been awhile since I've posted here (too long actually). Have the mods just given up all hope to curb "colorful" language, or is it just me? ::grabs Sprayber's wallet::

I actually had it stolen two weeks ago. I was wondering who the hell took it .

	31-07-2003 22:17									#87
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Ouch... that sucks...

Watch out for the driver's license! My dad had his stolen, and the guy sold his license to somebody, and they used it to commit all sorts of traffic crimes. He was making court appearances for YEARS after that. I mean, as soon as the officers in each case took one look at my dad, they knew it was the wrong guy... but what a hassle!

Although I suppose my dad had one without a picture on it... those are pretty rare these days... but you never know what these criminals can do.

	31-07-2003 23:32									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Ned... this is a Bush bash too far for me...

It is interesting how the Bush bashers are lining up on his side on this one.

	31-07-2003 23:34									#89
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I can't believe this. I've had a running mouthoff contest with Boris going for so long, and now we agree, and I'm disagreeing with Ned? This is, in fact, Bizarro World.

I will repeat. The news report indicated that this is Bush's policy. Apparently, there is some room for discretion in the law.

	31-07-2003 23:50									#90
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara quote: Originally posted by Ned Was she right to act without a court order while the matter was still pending before the courts? The only courts competent to rule on the matter (the Federal courts) had already ruled against the Miami family. The state courts have no jurisdiction over immigration issues.

The matter of custody is EXCLUSIVELY a state law issue under our Constitution. That matter was pending before the courts of Florida when Janet Reno took the law and the Constitution into her own hands.

As to the immigration laws, clearly had custody been awarded to the US relatives, they would have been competent to apply for asylum on behalf of Elian. However, Janet (Gestapo) Reno send in the machinegunners, breaking down doors, terrorizing Elian, his family and indeed the whole Cuban community, before the Florida courts could rule. Never in the history of the United States has an Attorney General acted with such little regard for the Constitution.

Might makes right in the world of Janet Reno. The people of Florida knew the injustice of this minister of Justice. They elected George Bush as a result and failed even to give her the nomination of her own party in the last election.