03-08-2003 03:13									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DanS yep, 198,000 in Brazil, I guess health and safety wasn't a big issue back then Well, I was only 2,000 from the number...

Not bad for a yank

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quote: Originally posted by DanS How many matches does a typical club play each year?

40-60 depending on how well they do in knockout competitions.

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OK, now I understad why Barca doesn't sell out all of their home games--there are so many home games. College football teams only have 6 home games and pro 8-10.

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About average games:

It depends on the competitions the club play in. For instance, a medium bad club plays between 30 and 38 games in its national leage and an average of 4 or 5 in its national cup.

However, if the teams play in an european competition, like the European Champions Leage or the UEFA Cup, you could add more matchs (from 1 if you get kicked off in the first leg of the UEFA Cup to 22 or 24 if you reach the last game of Champions Leage).

Add to that the friendly games and the games of others competitions (like regional tournaments in some countries, pre-clasificatory games for Europeans competitions in low soccer level countries, and so on)

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between 38 and 46 league games (depending on what divison they are in) a few cup games, if they're a big team often some european games as well and of course pre-season friendlies and the like. so basically FP isn't too far out.

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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney so basically FP isn't too far out.

I know. Which is why I said it.

I suppose a team that played in the Premier League, got to the final of both cups and the Champions League would play about 75 games (haven't bothered to add it up exactly), but that's an extreme case.

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For comparison purposes, baseball has 81 home games. The best teams might sell out whole seasons with capacity of about 50,000.

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each team has 81 home games?! or am i misunderstanding?

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That's because baseball is great.

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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney each team has 81 home games?! or am i misunderstanding?

That's true. Each team plays 162 games in a season. They play most days between April and September, then the playoffs start.

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet That's because baseball is great.

Mens rounders?

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bloody hell, and i thought our football season was packed. that's nearly a game every two days!

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Womens FOOTBALL is only a big sport in America. In Europe, there might be a lot of women players, but it's not a big sport for audience. Men's football is another issue.

I only watch football during the WC and European Championship, and only if Sweden is involved. Our team have done quite well recently, with WC Bronze in 1994 and advance from group play last summer. Only bad luck kept us from reaching the quarter-final when Anders Svensson hit the goal post (ball bouncing outwards) just a minute before Ivory Coast hit the goal post (ball bouncing inwards). I was currently vaccum-cleaning and was not far from throwing the vaccum cleaner out from the balcony.

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Dan: http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm
Last seasons football attendance averages for what looks like every league in Europe.

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I hate baseball, dominates espn for like 5 months. until football starts again and baseball gets shoved aside.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Mens rounders?

Actually the rules are very different to rounders. Your ignorance is showing.

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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney bloody hell, and i thought our football season was packed. that's nearly a game every two days!

but it's not concentrated effort, swing the bat three times, miss and thats you finished!

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Actually the rules are very different to rounders. Your ignorance is showing.

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..and don't even get me started on Mens Netball!!!

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Womens FOOTBALL is only a big sport in America. In Europe, there might be a lot of women players, but it's not a big sport for audience. Men's football is another issue.

The Washington Freedom (Washington's womens soccer team) seems to average about 10,000 in the stands.

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quote: Last seasons football attendance averages for what looks like every league in Europe.

Muchos gracias. It looks like Real Madrid has the highest average--about 70,000. I guess that's probably average for a midling professional football team in the US. Many fewer home games, of course.

Some of the European average soccer attendances are truly pathetic!

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Womens FOOTBALL is only a big sport in America. In Europe, there might be a lot of women players, but it's not a big sport for audience. Men's football is another issue. The Washington Freedom (Washington's womens soccer team) seems to average about 10,000 in the stands.

That's what national women's teams get in Europe, at the best. My wife thinks our 2-year old daughter will be a professional football player and I keep telling her that then she has to move to America. There's no money in womens football in Europe, as the male football is so good here.

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Dan
But Real Madrid will never be Real Barcalona, there are some things you can't put a price on

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quote: that's nearly a game every two days!

Yeah, and most times teams play 3-4 games in a row, have a travel day and then play 3-4 games again in a row... until the end of the season.

Position players don't get too tired from it (they play defense and hit), but pitchers usually can't go every day (some relief pitchers who only pick an inning per game can string together a few games play though).

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quote: That's what national women's teams get in Europe, at the best. My wife thinks our 2-year old daughter will be a professional football player and I keep telling her that then she has to move to America. There's no money in womens football in Europe, as the male football is so good here

Well, to be fair, there are only 8 women's pro soccer teams and 8 men's pro soccer teams.

In college football there are 120 Division I-A teams, in pro ~30. In pro baseball there are ~30 teams, with ~120 farm pro teams plus numerous semi-pro teams.

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There's a young (male) player from the Washington area that immigrated from Ghana, who might make mens soccer more popular here. But it will probably continue to be like cycling. Limited appeal, even if your guy dominates the Tour de France.

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Freddie Adu?

I think that within 50 years, soccer will reach the level of hockey, at the least. Sten, OTOH, thinks it'll be 20 years before it dominates. He's a bit too optimistic .

But it'll definetly catch on, especially with the changing demographic of America. The Latino immigrants will help the sport rise (MLS should have a soccer team in Texas, IMO).

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freddie adu is a good little player, he'll be off to spain, italy or maybe here when he's a bit older most likely.

i know a little about the american league, it's very, very different to leagues anywhere else. the transfers are wierd (drafts and all that) and there's no promotions/relegation!

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Yeah, it's a more American league.

About no promotions/relegation, there aren't enough teams for that right now. It might bankrupt the league if they were to form that many teams and try to have them all make money.

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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney there's no promotions/relegation!

Yes that sucks, but it's not really possible when you only have 8 teams. There are a few european countries (really crappy ones) that don't have enough pro teams to support more than one league.