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This is typical Sava, though. Totally overstate something (the average blah has to deal with blah) when only a few actually do, and then when you contest the numbers, he calls you ignorant or heartless.
Overstate what? I simply cited jobs that were more stressful and difficult than being president. The numbers are irrelevant. Did I say every single member of the Armed Forces? No, I specified troops in Iraq that are seeing combat... and more specifically, those that have lost friends. It's a shame you are trying to diminish their sacrifices.

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Backtrack further Sava... backtrack further .

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I have to agree with Japher on this.


Good going cinch

Imran, it's your turn

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Imran, it's your turn
nah, he's too busy trying to argue that American soldiers are insignificant, and therefore don't matter in terms of comparing professions.

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Why are you people whining about the long standing tradition of Presidents leaving Washington every chance they get?

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Why are you people whining about the long standing tradition of Presidents leaving Washington every chance they get?
because...

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I know why you're doing it. I was just curious why other people were doing it.

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So, you are all saying that the casualties are so low in Iraq that they don't even compare to domestic accident casualties?


I'm saying Sava is an idiot if he thinks the average soldier is losing his friends in Iraq.

People may be dying, but the President STILL has a tougher job, IMO. The decision makers work much harder than the peons give them credit for, and this *****ing always happens .

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I'm saying Sava is an idiot if he thinks the average soldier is losing his friends in Iraq.
That's not what I said, but go on distorting and manipulating...

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People may be dying, but the President STILL has a tougher job, IMO. The decision makers work much harder than the peons give them credit for, and this *****ing always happens .
Again, stop thinking in black and white... just because I am saying soldiers have a tougher job, doesn't mean the president's job is easy.

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I think we would learn a lot more if we were to argue whether or not Sava is an idiot

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I think we would learn a lot more if we were to argue whether or not Sava is an idiot
We can, but I think it's against the rules.

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That's not what I said


I think the average grunt in Iraq has a more demanding and stressful job. 4 hours of sleep, if that, and your friends dying around you

Wanna try again?

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Again, stop thinking in black and white... just because I am saying soldiers have a tougher job, doesn't mean the president's job is easy.


Actually I think you ARE saying the President's job is easy, and you think that this 'vacation' is just all fun and games. Obviously, you've never heard of a working vacation before.

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Sava, i'm not heartless or anything else. I'm simply stating the facts. Job description of a soldier: Fight, and if necessary die, for your country. Job description of President: Make descisions. He can do his job just as well from "the Western Whitehouse" as he can from Washington. You have done nothing to dispute that, which is the most relevant to your initial assumption, that him being in Crawford was a bad thing, and meant he wasn't doing his job. When someone makes a valid point, you simply change the subject and start talking about the infintesimal percentage of soldiers who have been affected by death, which is in fact in the Job description.

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I think the average grunt in Iraq has a more demanding and stressful job. 4 hours of sleep, if that, and your friends dying around you

Wanna try again?
Why? I got it right the first time. You might want to get Hooked on Phonics because I clearly posted two different statements. You expanded my definition of grunt to include all of Ameriac's armed forces... your mistake, not mine.


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Actually I think you ARE saying the President's job is easy, and you think that this 'vacation' is just all fun and games. Obviously, you've never heard of a working vacation before.
You can think whatever you want, you are still wrong.

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Backtrack further, Sava. The second sentance in the first quote obviously refers to the first statement .

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Backtrack further, Sava. The second sentance in the first quote obviously refers to the first statement .
okay now you are just using one of those lawyer tricks trying to confuse me... I said one thing, you said another... what's so hard to get about that?

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Suuure Sava... avoid the issue .

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actually the second phrase is a compound fragment. It is not a complete sentence. Who needs hooked on phonics?

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Suuure Sava... avoid the issue .
What I am avoiding is your word manipulation... which IS NOT the issue here... maybe you need to reread the first post to find out what is... m'kay!

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actually the second phrase is a compound fragment. It is not a complete sentence. Who needs hooked on phonics?
And you didn't capitalize your A in actually... SO NYA H Y NAY NA AHAHAYHA

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hehe

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This thread has officially been Savaized.

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nah, he's too busy trying to argue that American soldiers are insignificant, and therefore don't matter in terms of comparing professions.


You see Imran? This is what you get for not putting a disclaimer in your post.

Sava: on your STRAWMAN.

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Well, as I've noted 21% of all Presidents have been shot or stabbed sometime within their political career (a couple more than once). Something tells me it's tougher than being the fry chef at Wendy's... right, Sava? How many times have you been shot at?

MrFun: Savaized! I prefer "Savaged" myself... it also has the Sava-baiting connotation of bringing to mind Michael Savage, everybody's new "fave to hate" conservative radio schmuck.

This thread has been Savaged. Mods, you may close it now.

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you guys are hilarious... sure the president has a tough job, nobody is saying it's easy. My original point was that his job is in DC, not Texas. And personally, I think the average grunt in Iraq has a more demanding and stressful job. 4 hours of sleep, if that, and your friends dying around you... no, that's much easier than sitting in an office with your buddies, running the country.


Again, you are being the typical ridiculous little Leftist. The President does not "sit around the office drinking coffee with his buddies".

He has to bear the responsibility of war and peace, with every decision that could put thousands of US soldiers in harm's way. Every decision the US president makes affects the lives of every single American. He literally has to bear the responsibility for the lives of 260,000,000 american lives every single day.

There is no job that is more stressful than that. Being President of the US is the most stressful job in the world. End of debate.

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Let's see, he works 7 days a week, and is on call 24 hours a day during the entire time he is in the job. He has to read and assimulate reports on everything from the economy to what is happening in the samllest backwater country and make choices on how to deal with it all. Even if he trys to get in a round of golf, the president will be stopped all of the time throughout the game to take care of things that come up. Not to mention, that anytime you are anywhere that the press can get near, you are constantly asked questions and the samllest thing you say can be blown up to be bigger than it should. You aren't responsible to see that your squad members are killed unneedfully, you are responisble for each and every death. And it never lets up, not a single day, hour or minute.

Yea, the job is a piece of cake, a walk in the park. Look at the before and after pictures of the last 5 or so Presidents. They all age about 20 or so years in office. But your right, it is so easy.

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Just for record: Has Sava ever admitted he's wrong? Or that he may have exaggerated things just a wee bit?

In any case, I personally can't think of a lousier job than US President. Those who doubt the stress need only look at pictures of Jimmy Carter from 1976 and then again in 1980. He aged about 20 years.

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Sava hasn't admitted anything like that, nor has he said anything that would suggest that the Presidency is not a stressful job. All he said is that there are other people out there who have jobs equally as stressful if not more stressful that do not take 1 month vacations, or "work from home"...

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It seems you and Sava cannot get the utterly simply notion into your heads that a 'vacation' to a President isn't the same as when you take a vacation!

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Lets not go overboard here folks on how hard Bush works: he keeps tight schedule. He isn;t on call 24 hours a day..he goes to sleep around 11, wakes up at 6 or 7, so forth and so on. This WH runs on a shcedule, just like this vacation has long been on shcedule, like every year he has been in office.

As for it being the toughest job around...well, doesn't the Chinese premier have to make sure 1.2 billion people (20% of humanity) are, well, under control? That seems tougher to me. Davis doesn;t have an easy job either.

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Davis doesn;t have an easy job either.


The only reason Gray "out" Davis has a tought job, is cause he is an incompetent baffoon.

 
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