04-08-2003 22:15									#1
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I just watched a press conference with Scott McLellan, the new press secretary. He was in Crawford Texas in front of a large sign that said, "The Western Whitehouse". I'm sorry if this seems petty, but I thought the capitol was in Washington DC. Before 9-11, Bush was criticized heavily for spending too much time at his ranch. This issue has quited down, but I feel it deserves attention. What the hell is Bush doing in Texas. Your job is in DC, not Texas.

I heard a rumor that with these new "threats" to airlines, the terror threat level is not being raised because Bush doesn't want to interrupt his planned month-long 'vacation' in Crawford, Texas. Next month, the president plans on staying in Crawford before going around to fundraise some more.

Do your ****ing job, stay in ****ing DC.

	04-08-2003 22:19									#2
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it seems like every time I turn on the news he's taking another 'month off'.

So...when is he actually 'on' the job?

	04-08-2003 22:20									#3
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what difference does it make? they got phones, fax machines, internet, etc. he can effectively govern from anywhere and can get right back to DC on a few hours notice.

	04-08-2003 22:21									#4
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quote: what difference does it make? they got phones, fax machines, internet, etc. he can effectively govern from anywhere and can get right back to DC on a few hours notice.

It's about responsibility. The presidency isn't a "work from home" job.

	04-08-2003 22:24									#5
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I thought you were referring to Nixon's old place in San Clemente.

	04-08-2003 22:29									#6
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How is this any different from the numerous vacations Clinton took?

Presidents take a lot of vacations... it's just how it is done.

	04-08-2003 22:37									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat I thought you were referring to Nixon's old place in San Clemente.

I know that FDR's vacation home in Warm Springs, Georgia was referred to as the "Little White House," as was Truman's vacation home in Key West. Does anyone know if the tradition extends back farther than that?

	04-08-2003 22:41									#8
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You leftists are really pathetic. So now Bush is bad president cause he won't stay in a stuffy office 10hr/day, every day? You'll have to do better than that.

The truth is that the President is never trully on vacation. No matter where he is, he is always connected with his staff, getting briefed on crisises and making important presidential decisions.

	04-08-2003 22:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Sava It's about responsibility. The presidency isn't a "work from home" job.

No, because he does not have a home. His job goes everywhere he goes.

	04-08-2003 22:43									#10
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quote: he can effectively govern from anywhere and can get right back to DC on a few hours notice.

Bush can effectively govern?

	04-08-2003 22:47									#11
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Yet another Bush-Bash thread, don't you ever get tired of that?

No don't answer, we already know.

Hey, I heard he refused to invite Al-Chirac to Crawford. Let's bash him for that....
Or maybe we could bash him for not having a cat...
Or maybe for not spending half his time at Camp David looking at porn...

	04-08-2003 22:48									#12
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if anything, it's better he's at a comfortable place that he loves to be at like his ranch... don't we all work better at places we like to be at?

	04-08-2003 22:52									#13
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Heck, if Sava were pres. it wouldn't matter where he was at, since he'd be postin on 'poly anyway, and never get anything done

All presidents have spent too much time on 'vacation'... 1 month!!! Heck, most of us AMERICANs only get 2 weeks a year... Granted Bush still has to "work" some of the time, but give me a break, give him 10 days a year that he has to acrew... and maybe 1 or 2 personal days...

	04-08-2003 22:52									#14
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quote: You leftists are really pathetic.

I think we have our new "Fez"... this thread has been DIPLOMATTED!

I'm aware of past presidents and their vacations, but Bush seems to be taking more time off than Clinton or Bush I.

And I'd be *****ing about this even if it were Howard Dean taking sabbaticals in Vermont.

	04-08-2003 23:24									#15
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Right on Meldor,
Sava and Orange, my favorite two leftys'.
President Bush is The President of the United States, so anywhere he goes he is at work.
Take that you liberal Bush-Bashing Commies.

	04-08-2003 23:25									#16
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quote: All presidents have spent too much time on 'vacation'... 1 month!!! Heck, most of us AMERICANs only get 2 weeks a year... Granted Bush still has to "work" some of the time, but give me a break, give him 10 days a year that he has to acrew... and maybe 1 or 2 personal days...

When you have to 'work' everyday of your vacation, by calling the office, asking what work has to get done, etc, then you can ***** .

	04-08-2003 23:46									#17
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So long as he works, then good. But it helps a government, still, that everyone be in one place.

(Wait...Bush works? When did this start? )

	05-08-2003 01:05									#18
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During August, Congress is in recess. Nobody does anything much in DC this time of year. And the country is better off for it.

	05-08-2003 01:07									#19
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Okay...what does bush staying in crawford really say about the man? That he would rather spend time on a ranch than in a luxurious mansion like the white house? To say that he is "on vacation" is asinine. Like others have stated, he probably has to work harder with keeping in touch when he is not sitting in the fancy schmancy oval office.

	05-08-2003 01:07									#20
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quote: When you have to 'work' everyday of your vacation, by calling the office, asking what work has to get done, etc, then you can *****

Why? He took the job, I don't want it!

	05-08-2003 01:31									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Okay...what does bush staying in crawford really say about the man? That he would rather spend time on a ranch than in a luxurious mansion like the white house? To say that he is "on vacation" is asinine. Like others have stated, he probably has to work harder with keeping in touch when he is not sitting in the fancy schmancy oval office.

Yeah, he has to work harder in Crawford. I'll remember that when I see a news clip of him riding horses or playing golf.

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Sometimes I am totally flummoxed at the righteous anger that the political creature flings towards the mildest of "crimes." It reminds me of the Repubs complaining about how Clinton was giving Big Campaign Donors free sleepovers at the WH.

	05-08-2003 01:40									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Yeah, he has to work harder in Crawford. I'll remember that when I see a news clip of him riding horses or playing golf.

Yeah, Bush is such a bastard for wanting relief from his HIGH-PRESSURE responsibilities.

	05-08-2003 01:41									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Yeah, Bush is such a bastard for wanting relief from his HIGH-PRESSURE responsibilities.

If he can't handle the job, he should quit.

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Hmmmph, my brother-in-law has been over in the middle east for over 6 months now fighting a fight that Bush started, and it pains me as well as those troops to see your Commander in Cheif goes on a 1 month vacation because he so stressed... My brother-in-law chose to join the reserves and now he is paying for it. Bush chose to run for president, and THIS is how he is paying for it? With great responsibilty comes great responsibility!

Blah

	05-08-2003 01:45									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Sava If he can't handle the job, he should quit.

DUH!!

Everyone who has a high-level, high-pressure job will need to seek some form of relief on ocassion. And it's not because they can't handle the job.

	05-08-2003 01:48									#27
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Some people here understand, though many don't: there can come a point in your career where the job comes to you, you don't go to it. If so, why not place yourself in the most comfortable environment that you can?

Bush's job is to make decisions and to talk to people, not to be anyplace... at least, not for a while, especially since Congress just recessed. Going to work is something for us schleps.

In short: the fact that he's in Crawford doesn't necessarily mean he's on vacation.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun DUH!! Everyone who has a high-level, high-pressure job will need to seek some form of relief on ocassion. And it's not because they can't handle the job.

Why are you so concerned about the president... there are millions of hard-working Americans that have to work year-round and don't enjoy the perks Bush does. Why don't you fight for their "rights" to vacation rather than some rich kid who became president.

	05-08-2003 01:50									#29
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Yeah JohnT -- cell phones and lap tops make it easier for people like Bush to still find themselves doing some kind of work even while on vacation.

But can you explain to Sava that a person should be able to take a real vacation without being accused of not being able to handle the job?

	05-08-2003 01:51									#30
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Are people aware that Bush does live where he works? He doesn't exactly have to commute to the office.

Also, I have to echo Felch's comments. DC is quiet during the summer. Everyone in Congress is back in their districts doing the usual Political schtick. That, and it's so damned hot and sticky that nobody wants to do work...