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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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I don't know if Arnold Schwarzenegger will run for governor. But I do know this: Our standard-order politicians are dreaming if they think they are going to blow him away.

I'm not surprised that the general public sees Schwarzenegger, so far, as little more than a Hollywood celebrity. But the political class should know better. This is a man of substance with accomplishments in charity and business that would make him a very formidable candidate for the state's highest office, even if his lack of political experience makes it difficult to guess what kind of governor he would ultimately be.

If Schwarzenegger runs, Democrats won't be able to lay a finger on him with issues they've long used to demonize Republicans: abortion, gun control, gay rights, the environment. And Republicans who think they can hit him on culture issues (he smoked pot as a young bodybuilder) will find their bullets bouncing off him as if he were a machine.

That's because Arnold has something that few modern politicians possess: a story. It's a captivating personal tale that meshes perfectly with his political beliefs. And if he runs, I think, it will get him elected.

Schwarzenegger came to America from Austria, a country with a socialist mindset where, he says, he heard 18-year-old men sitting around talking about the pensions they hoped to collect in their old age. It wasn't the life for him.

America, with its wide-open and competitive economy, was a beacon. It was a place where you were "free to live your own life, pursue your own goals, chase your own rainbow, without the government breathing down on your neck or standing on your shoes," he said in a taped introduction to one of a series of video vignettes based on economist Milton Friedman's tribute to markets, "Free to Choose."

Schwarzenegger arrived in California in 1968 with $20 in his pocket and a dream -- to get rich. He did just that, first by making a bit of money in the bodybuilding business and then investing a few thousand dollars in Los Angeles-area real estate.

Those investments produced his first million before he ever starred in a movie.

Now his empire extends to a downtown Denver entertainment center, a Columbus, Ohio, shopping mall and what sometimes seems to be half the buildings in the beach towns of Venice and Santa Monica. A recurring theme: Arnold likes to buy undervalued properties and turn them, and their neighborhoods, around.

His best known failure was a new chain of movie-themed restaurants -- Planet Hollywood -- which bombed and eventually went bankrupt. Analysts should note that this was one of the few times he invested big money in a venture over which he had little or no control.

Even so, Planet Hollywood was a blip on an otherwise fabulously successful screen. And his own self-made success in business and the movies solidified, for a time, Schwarzenegger's view that America is the land of opportunity where everyone can make it, if only they pull up their bootstraps and get to work.

But he has since discovered a counteracting principle, which he says is this: "Not everybody has boots."

As he explored America and its problems, Schwarzenegger concluded that his drive to succeed came not so much from his parents' genes as from their culture. Although he grew up poor, his parents pushed him to work hard and prepare himself for any opportunity. In America, he said, too many kids don't have that kind of support at home.

"Most of them don't get the motivation," Schwarzenegger said in a 2001 speech. "Instead they hear, 'You're a loser. You'll never make it out of the barrio or the ghetto. You'll never get out.'

"The more I saw, the more I realized I'd been wrong when I thought the American Dream was available to everyone. Because even though it is the land of opportunity for me, and the majority of Americans, millions are left behind. It's not a level playing field for them."

Schwarzenegger's solution was to adopt a fledgling Los Angeles after-school program known as the Inner-City Games and start a foundation that would take it national. Today, it provides after-school, weekend and summer programs for 200,000 children at more than 400 locations. It formed the basis for his successful ballot initiative, Proposition 49, which will expand public funding for after-school programs.

That merger of his personal beliefs with public policy is part of the transformation that, coincidentally, turned Schwarzenegger into the ideal California candidate: what I call a pragmatic libertarian.

"I still believe government should ensure a fair start and fair competition for all," he says. "It shouldn't rig the outcomes.

"I still believe in lower taxes -- and the power of the free market.

"I still believe in controlling government spending. If it's a bad program, let's get rid of it.

"But I also believe that government is important -- and should be in the business of educating our children, defending our people, ensuring public safety, advancing scientific and medical research, and more."

Most importantly, providing the opportunity for every child to have a chance to fulfill his dreams.

Arnold might be a novice at the campaign game. But he is no political weakling.

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Schwarzenegger is a virtual non-issue with Bustamante in the race.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Who is Bustamente and how is he important?

Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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He's Lt. Gov.

I think he'll have a race on his hands with Arnold.

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You leave out one important factor that may bring Aunuld to his demise.

Gary Coleman is running.

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If Gray Davis is so unpopular, why would his Lt. Gov be any more popular?

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He's the Lt. Governor, former speaker of the Assembly, and the most wired in of the state level politicians in California.

The Democratic party has money to spend, and will now be very likely to soon abandon Davis to his fate. With Bustamante, they get one of their own, with a lot of power and decent relations (as much as any ranking state Dem has) with the Republicans in the legislature, and they also get the chance for Bustamante to appoint his own replacement, so the boat doesn't get rocked at all.

To recall Davis, you need Dem votes, and lots of them, and the Dems can adopt a no-lose policy of opposing the recall, and saying vote for Bustamante just in case. Enough Dems would likely break loose on the recall issue if Davis doesn't step down, but the vast majority will solidly back Bustamante, meaning Arnie or anyone else will have to harvest most of the remaining vote.

The big question is timing and money - there's no real time to raise campaign money, and the state Republican party is relatively poor, and more concerned with the 2004 primaries and reelecting Bush, so they won't cut loose with a lot of funds.

The state Dems have the ability to roll out ads and media coverage fast and furious, and to outspend anyone. A lot of vested interests in the state are more interested in damage control than they're interested in Davis's fate itself.

Another angle is that Davis can take the political dagger, resign, and have Bustamente in position as the incumbent, and in the running, which again covers both the recall yes-no issue and the replacement issue.

If Arnie had more time to untrack a campaign, he'd be more competitive, but he's not going to wash with a huge number of northern Cali liberals from the Boxer set, whereas those people will tolerate Bustamante, and Bustamante will do well with the black, hispanic, and inland vote, where the real battleground for removing Davis will be.

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If Gray Davis is so unpopular, why would his Lt. Gov be any more popular?


It's not his lt. gov.

They're independently elected offices, the governor has no choice over the lt. governor.

California has fairly often had one Republican and one Democrat in the governor and lt. governor's offices.

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No, Arnold will win because the people never miss an opportunity to show their stupidity.

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I'd prefer the terminator over a prostitute, some weirdo dwarf and schmuck that ruins the whole state

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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edit - reply to Agathon.

Do your trolling someplace where you can pretend to have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

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The question here is, do we really want a cybernetic organism in charge of California?

On FOX they had a video of Arnold about as stoned as people get, with a fat joint in his hand. Looked to be an old vid.

Gov of California is like Poly mod, you gotta be nuts to want the job, but at the same time it suits certain sicko freak doper types, no disrespect intended.

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Lan-cer!!!!! Lancer. Lancer. Lancer.

Where ya been ?
Make it quick. Michael will dust us.

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i'm surprised by the fact that austria has a socialist mindset... i always thought austria was the most conservative of continental european countries (ie- Haider)

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Sloww, I almost fell off the planet! But I made it back to Poly. Actually this is what I do, come and go. It's healthy. Glad to know I'm missed however...

Been busy, still busy...

How's things Sloww?

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Ok, I guess. Michael's still a bastard.
LTEC called me an idiot.
SSDD.
You know.

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even if arnold loses, he'll be back!

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I like Mike

LTEC doesn't take the time to understand you Sloww, your sensitive side...that's her loss.

It's Ming that irks me at times, pain in the butt. Oh well...

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MtG, I think you are underestimating Arnold's name recognition and inherent likeability. He will draw votes from across the political spectrum. The hard left may be the only people who will have a difficulty with Schwarzenegger.

I predict that Arny will get more than 50% of the vote in a very crowded ballot. Bustamonte may come in second, but I doubt he pulls more than 30%.

Let's see what the early polling data shows.

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MtG -
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With Bustamante, they get one of their own, with a lot of power and decent relations (as much as any ranking state Dem has) with the Republicans in the legislature, and they also get the chance for Bustamante to appoint his own replacement, so the boat doesn't get rocked at all.


But that's a big problem for the Dems, their pandering to special interests is one reason why California is in financial trouble. Facing a guy who has no obvious ties to special interests with the most politically connected guy in the state is going to hurt them big.

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And Republicans who think they can hit him on culture issues (he smoked pot as a young bodybuilder) will find their bullets bouncing off him as if he were a machine.


Hmm...so Ahnold smoked pot. Will he support punishing others for doing what he did?

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I've lived in various democracies, what more is there to know?

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though it means nothing, i saw an aol poll (yeah bullshit i know but still interesting) where arnold was 75% strong.

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I'd vote for Arnold

1. He has no political experience. With the way politics is today, thats a good thing.

2. He has no special interests, sure he might propse a bush-esque tax cut, but besides that I think he genuinely wants whats best for California.

3. He alone could enforce the law.

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"Hasta la vista, Davis!

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"Arnold, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the Democrats!"



"Your a funny guy Gray, that's why I'm going to vote for you last."


"I eat Liberals for breakfast... and right now I'm VERY hungry."

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Quit while you're ahead Timex.

 
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