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quote: 3 squares a day, books to read, computers to play on, t.v. to wathc, gym equipment, basketball courts... Sounds like an All-Inclusive getaway to me...

Dont forget shiatsu and flower arranging. I'm sure Bubba and Spike think they reside in a veritable Shangri-La.

Prison Rape. Even the worst of the worst deserve some vestige of dignity and human rights.

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Prisons should be tough and miserable places for prisoners to live there lives. But they should also be controlled environments and the misery should be handed out by the Prison officials, not fellow inmates.

Allowing prison rape and prisoner dominating each other lessens the punishment for tougher and stronger inmates.

	11-08-2003 22:20									#93
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Che, what's your bright idea then? Put 'm drugs and let 'em go free? House arrest at a Sheraton? Would you sleep a lot better at night knowing that convicted felons, murderers, and rapist are walking the streets because you showed compasion?

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EVERYONE belongs in GenPop. Prison inmates truly know the meaning of the word JUSTICE, unlike those who use it as a catch-phrase or protective mantra, profaning its true meaning to suit their own purposes.

I do not agree with what you have to say, and I will defend to the death my right to dispute it.

BTW, gun control is a FARCE. If you want my gun, you have my permission to come and try to take it away. However, it won't be as easy as you think. I made sure I got a lot of ammo and a bunch of backups.

Come on over! Here's my address:

14006 Palawan Way #324
Marina del Rey, CA 90292

FREE INVITATION TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY FROM ME.

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Wow, gee, there's a jump. I don't support the idiotic policies that "get tough on crime" has produced, so obviously I must support letting prisoners walk free. You are a regular tower of intellect.

	11-08-2003 22:30									#98
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin 14006 Palawan Way #324 Marina del Rey, CA 90292

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Che successfully dodges another question!

quote: in actuality, getting someone to listen to complaints about the abuse of their rights fall on deaf ears, like yours

Didn't I already point out that I think they forfeited their rights by violating someone elses, and being convicted?

quote: Prisons should be tough and miserable places for prisoners to live there lives. But they should also be controlled environments and the misery should be handed out by the Prison officials, not fellow inmates.

The smartes thing I have heard all day (though it is still early)

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quote: Originally posted by Japher Che, what's your bright idea then? Put 'm drugs and let 'em go free? House arrest at a Sheraton? Would you sleep a lot better at night knowing that convicted felons, murderers, and rapist are walking the streets because you showed compasion?

Maybe a good Beginning would be to have enough Prisons.
If your Prisons are overcrowded as Che states, build more Prisons.

Another thing would be to separate People.
Not just Males and Females.
No. You should have separate Prisons for Youth and maybe also enough High Security Prisons for those people who commited murder or other acts of Violence. It could also be useful to separate those who have a sentence for Life from those who just stay a limited time.

Best would also be if every inmate had a Single Occupation Cell and wouldn´t be locked together with several other people into the same room.

I think those things would really help to reduce Rapes in Prison. But of course they cost money

	11-08-2003 22:49									#101
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara That doesn't mean that we don't trivialize it and laugh about it.

So true. It is this kind of sweeping cultural insensitivity that allowed what happened in the Catholic church.

We all laughed for years at the practiced abstinence of priests, and chuckled at all the jokes of gay clergymen and pedaphiles.

	11-08-2003 23:38									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Reform doesn't occur in prison, networking does. As well as drug abuse, gay sex, cable t.v. watching. 3 squares a day, books to read, computers to play on, t.v. to wathc, gym equipment, basketball courts... Sounds like an All-Inclusive getaway to me... the prison system doesn't work, because "grounding" someone, or sending them to their room does nothing. This does not make them responsible for their actions because the punishment does not suit the crime. eye for an eye I say... Convicted of stealing? Cut off a hand Convicted of killing? Cut off a head Would really throw the 3 strikes law right out the window...

Well I have actually been in jail before, and my best friend was in prison for five years. Neither of those places were the all-inclusive get aways you speak of. For me jail wasn't the worst place ever, but it wasn't a pleasant place to be in. There was cable tv, and at one point some prisoners in my cell block paid one of the trustees to rent a PS2 and some DVDs he smuggled into the jail. So one of the nights I was there we watched Blade 2, Ghost of Mars, Queen of the Damned, High Crimes, and Freddy got fingered. The tv was on the rest of the time. That is the good aspects.

As far as the bad goes, it was ungodly hot because there wasn't any air conditioning, the entire cell block consisted of three 5x6 cells and a 15x6 common area. There were nine of us in there most of the time, and at one point there was ten people in there. Each cell had a toilet, and there was a toilet in the common area, there was also a single shower in the common area that had two temperatures, scalding hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter. I took a shower in it, and it was too hot to actually let the water get on me so I had to splash it on me using my hands. The bottom of the shower was black with mold. I'm a vegetarian, and each of the three meals had a meat based main item, so I had to trade that for side items. The food was really bad. There was no room to really move around, and certainly no room to conduct any form of physical activity. There was a single book in the cellblock, and it was something about a barbarian king of Mars from the fifties.

Breakfast was served at 5:30, lunch was served at 11:30, and dinner was served at like 6:30. You miss a meal, you are just SOL. At around 11pm the guards would bring around everyone medication, and they would give any prisoners who wanted it some kind of Benadryl pill or something, I'm not sure what it was. Basically alot of the prisoners were addicted to them, and one of the prisoners basically threatened me if I didn't give him my pill, but they didn't have one for me. Otherwise everyone was nice and civil to me. The daily routine was to fall asleep after breakfast, and sleep to lunch, then get up eat lunch, and lay around to dinner, then eat, and clean, then stay up till breakfast. The guards allowed the prisoners to follow this routine, although according to the state the jail was violating rules by doing this, and lights out was supposed to be at 11, and lights on at 5:30 with breakfast. They also knew about the PS2, and the fact that once a week the jailers would goto the store for the prisoners and buy them (with the prisoners money) what they needed. Apparently the state considered soda (coke, pepsi, etc) to be contraband, and the jail was going to have to crack down on all of that. They didn't want to because they knew it was just going to make their lives harder, and the jail was fairly shorthanded. There may have been three guards on duty at night, and there were probably 150 or more prisoners there.

One of the people in the cell with me (he was sleeping in the common area on a little mat as was I) had a tooth ache, and they said it would take at least a week before they could get approval for him to goto the dentist if not longer. Maybe that sounds like a wonderful place to be but it isn't. Prison is better in some ways, yet much much worse in others. My friend basically had to struggle with gangs, tough guys, and other violent inmates on a daily basis. My best friend's husband works in a maximum security prison (as does her mom and stepfather...we live in a rural area where there are lots of prisons) and he deals with people on a daily basis who've committed murder and other violent crimes. Guys who are doing 530 years really don't care what they do to guards, or other prisoners.

EDIT: read FP's post lol

	11-08-2003 23:47									#103
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	12-08-2003 00:01									#104
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 Well I have actually been in jail before

You see what happens boys and girls? The American prison system strips people of their ability to use paragraph breaks! When will this inhuman practice end?

Seriously though, thank God somebody with genuine experience of prison turned up to quash all these "prisons are holiday camps" morons.

	12-08-2003 00:11									#105
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet You see what happens boys and girls? The American prison system strips people of their ability to use paragraph breaks! When will this inhuman practice end? Seriously though, thank God somebody with genuine experience of prison turned up to quash all these "prisons are holiday camps" morons.

it is true though that prisoners love to watch cops, and americas greatest police chases...

	12-08-2003 00:12									#106
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The biggest punishment in prison is the absence of females ... seriously ...

	12-08-2003 00:15									#107
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They are if you're a senator. Club Fed's not so bad, especially if you're in for computer hacking.

That's why you have to remember everyone you ever worked with, who might also be in the big house as well, and try to make sure you get them stuff whenever you can. It's called sharing what you have - the tenet of prison survival.

That's how I made it through - my brother was in for 2nd degree murder, so I made sure all the other guys watched out for him while he was in. I can't guarantee that nothing bad happened to him, because I'm pretty sure that bad stuff DID happen, but I hope he knew I was watching out for him, even though I couldn't see him or talk to him.

I sent him a lot of books, which I think he appreciated.

	12-08-2003 00:43									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Even the worst of the worst deserve some vestige of dignity and human rights.

Amen, brother.

When you wondered why Rodney got eight years, do read this again...

quote: The authorities decided to make an example of Rodney. Even though only about $500 in damage was caused by the fire, they sentenced him to eight years in an adult prison.

Well, the authorities simply wanted to use him as a warning example, despite that wasn't effective and they did it in a bad manner. IMO a youth prison or somekind of work camp would have been better for him, plus not 8 years.

I think it would be far better if prisoners would be put into community service and work camps, rather than just having them sitting inside a prison. It doesn't mean community service or a work camp would mean lack of security. Giving them something useful to do would decrease violence and problems among prisoners.

	12-08-2003 00:53									#109
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woah! lefties are saying too many people are in prison.

well guess what, so many people are in prison because they break too many laws

I'll grant you the drug war is bullshit, but it is the law. We should change drug laws so non-violent offenders should not go to prison.

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quote: I'll grant you the drug war is bullshit, but it is the law. We should change drug laws so non-violent offenders should not go to prison.

You hit the nail on the head there Diss... The reason there are too many criminals is that there are too many laws...

	12-08-2003 01:32									#112
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Agreed. 8 years for weed?!? What kind of "justice" is that?

8 years for a hit-and-run? That sounds much more fair to me.

	12-08-2003 01:35									#113
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 Well I have actually been in jail before, and my best friend was in prison for five years. Neither of those places were the all-inclusive get aways you speak of. For me jail wasn't the worst place ever, but it wasn't a pleasant place to be in. There was cable tv, and at one point some prisoners in my cell block paid one of the trustees to rent a PS2 and some DVDs he smuggled into the jail. So one of the nights I was there we watched Blade 2, Ghost of Mars, Queen of the Damned, High Crimes, and Freddy got fingered. The tv was on the rest of the time. That is the good aspects. As far as the bad goes, it was ungodly hot because there wasn't any air conditioning, the entire cell block consisted of three 5x6 cells and a 15x6 common area. There were nine of us in there most of the time, and at one point there was ten people in there. Each cell had a toilet, and there was a toilet in the common area, there was also a single shower in the common area that had two temperatures, scalding hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter. I took a shower in it, and it was too hot to actually let the water get on me so I had to splash it on me using my hands. The bottom of the shower was black with mold. I'm a vegetarian, and each of the three meals had a meat based main item, so I had to trade that for side items. The food was really bad. There was no room to really move around, and certainly no room to conduct any form of physical activity. There was a single book in the cellblock, and it was something about a barbarian king of Mars from the fifties. Breakfast was served at 5:30, lunch was served at 11:30, and dinner was served at like 6:30. You miss a meal, you are just SOL. At around 11pm the guards would bring around everyone medication, and they would give any prisoners who wanted it some kind of Benadryl pill or something, I'm not sure what it was. Basically alot of the prisoners were addicted to them, and one of the prisoners basically threatened me if I didn't give him my pill, but they didn't have one for me. Otherwise everyone was nice and civil to me. The daily routine was to fall asleep after breakfast, and sleep to lunch, then get up eat lunch, and lay around to dinner, then eat, and clean, then stay up till breakfast. The guards allowed the prisoners to follow this routine, although according to the state the jail was violating rules by doing this, and lights out was supposed to be at 11, and lights on at 5:30 with breakfast. They also knew about the PS2, and the fact that once a week the jailers would goto the store for the prisoners and buy them (with the prisoners money) what they needed. Apparently the state considered soda (coke, pepsi, etc) to be contraband, and the jail was going to have to crack down on all of that. They didn't want to because they knew it was just going to make their lives harder, and the jail was fairly shorthanded. There may have been three guards on duty at night, and there were probably 150 or more prisoners there. One of the people in the cell with me (he was sleeping in the common area on a little mat as was I) had a tooth ache, and they said it would take at least a week before they could get approval for him to goto the dentist if not longer. Maybe that sounds like a wonderful place to be but it isn't. Prison is better in some ways, yet much much worse in others. My friend basically had to struggle with gangs, tough guys, and other violent inmates on a daily basis. My best friend's husband works in a maximum security prison (as does her mom and stepfather...we live in a rural area where there are lots of prisons) and he deals with people on a daily basis who've committed murder and other violent crimes. Guys who are doing 530 years really don't care what they do to guards, or other prisoners. EDIT: read FP's post lol

A lot of that is what it's like on a navy ship out at sea

	12-08-2003 01:45									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident well guess what, so many people are in prison because they break too many laws

or maybe there are too many laws that it is impossible NOT to break one, except you are a couch-potato

	12-08-2003 01:57									#115
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Nothing wrong with being a couch potato .

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It's very, very easy to go through life without committing a felony.

Even the most wild, alcoholic friends and aquaintences I knew in the navy never committed any more than a felony.

We've all done indecent exposure, public intoxication, disorderly conduct, but those aren't felonies.

	12-08-2003 02:29									#117
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Yeo, man, it's like rats on a sinking ship pack -rats have too much to carry.

The mice are the ones who are smart enough to just grab onto whatever floats.

"There is no animal so valiant as a Mouse." - Koong Fu Tze (in Latin, Confucius)

	12-08-2003 03:28									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Personally, I feel that once someone is accussed of a crime they no longer have any (well, very few) rights.

o_0 ?

Japher's a murderer and a child rapist! Kill the walking heartless stone! Kill it!

quote: When a person decides to remove themselves from a system, then they are removed from the system... It's a terrible doublestandard that they are allowed to defy the law and then expect it to work in their favor once it suits them.

I don't give a Cthulhu's tentacle what they expect. I expect the judicial system to treat everyone the same. That's the only way laws can be even remotely fair. Justice must be blind, or else there is no Justice at all.

	12-08-2003 03:31									#119
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quote: We've all done indecent exposure, public intoxication, disorderly conduct

You're a sig machine Diss!!!

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quote: Japher's a murderer and a child rapist! Kill the walking heartless stone! Kill it!

If I intentionally did those things, then yes I should be killed...