11-08-2003 15:16									#31
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What about navigation through popups and plugins such as this site uses? Is that a good nav method?

	11-08-2003 15:17									#32
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I agree with most of you here, NO frames. Most of the times they only suck. And no Flash .

	11-08-2003 15:37									#33
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Personally, I' a big fan of frames. They provide easy and logical structure, without the need to economize on the way the menus look.

	11-08-2003 16:40									#34
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--"What about navigation through popups and plugins such as this site uses? Is that a good nav method?"

That's a horrible method. Frames or no frames, each of those methods has a decent use. A good frames site can be great to use, but frames aren't too hard to mess up.

Pop-up and plug-ins, on the other hand, just flat out suck. Pop-ups are the worst of all, and plug-ins are almost as bad as the run-of-the-mill all-Flash site.

Wraith
"Getting caught is the mother of invention."
-- Robert Byrne

	11-08-2003 17:51									#35
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http://ermsays.net/aaargh
Click "spawn"

	11-08-2003 18:00									#36
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interesting. i clickd on that tentively. thought it would spawn endless popups or java windows.

	11-08-2003 18:05									#37
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Interesting. A very good example of why nav through popups is bad.

	11-08-2003 18:06									#38
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nope. just a clustersite I thought would be cool, and ended up being slow and unwieldy

	11-08-2003 18:24									#39
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Say, is there any way to have navigation by command prompt?

	11-08-2003 18:29									#40
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That would truly be cool. I think it's possible. My observation is that sites with login boxes is that if you hit enter after entering something into the login box it will verify the info and change that page. It should be possible to use the same code to make a text box that could be used as a command line.

One of my school friends is a javascript expert. I'll ask him as soon school starts for me.

	11-08-2003 18:30									#41
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Say, is there any way to have navigation by command prompt?

	11-08-2003 19:15									#43
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Smiley, you had me scared for a moment there, I thought my reply got lost in transit.

IW, doesn't work.

	11-08-2003 19:16									#44
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I had to edit a bit, but it does work now.

	11-08-2003 19:21									#45
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Not for me it doesn't.

"No thread specified"

	11-08-2003 19:30									#46
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It works if I click go but not if I hit enter.(it doesnt' work at all if I hit my chair)

	11-08-2003 19:31									#47
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Doesn't work for me (Opera)

	11-08-2003 19:59									#48
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Doesn't work for me, either.

	11-08-2003 20:00									#49
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How weird. it goes into some poly code routine if you press enter. The go button should work at least in IE. Probably I'd have to set up a function outside the form to make it completely correct.

Lets see now... Input a valid thread ID into this one, and either enter or the button should load the thread.

	11-08-2003 20:03									#50
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Nope.

When I click on the button nothing happens. When I press <enter> I got this error message:

code:

Database error in vBulletin: Invalid SQL: SELECT forumid FROM thread where threadid=deadwombats
mysql error: Unknown column 'deadwombats' in 'where clause'
mysql error number: 1054
Date: Monday 11th of August 2003 11:01:50 AM
Script: /forums/showthread.php?threadid=deadwombats
Referer: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&postid=2253728

	11-08-2003 20:05									#51
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deadwombats perhaps isn't a valid thread ID.

	11-08-2003 21:18									#52
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IW's second box (threadid) works fine for me.

http://www.google.com in the first one directed me to some "web1000" ****. Augh.

	11-08-2003 21:33									#53
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IW's second box works fine for me.

	11-08-2003 21:43									#54
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You can get around the file size issue by making common parts of the navigation JavaScript includes. External scripts are only loaded once, and reside in memory thereafter.

Don't listen to St. Leo. Client-side includes are the way to go.

	11-08-2003 22:04									#55
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell http://www.google.com in the first one directed me to some "web1000" ****. Augh.

you don't need the http://

	11-08-2003 22:55									#56
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Well, without it www.google.com I get the invalid thread specified error.

	12-08-2003 00:39									#57
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Back to topic:

I have seen way too many sites which could defently use the use of frames. Frames makes it easy (and logical) to find around the site, though few sites would be worse if they use frames (Like Apolyton... I can't see no reason why Apolyton should have frames)

But on the other hand: If you're going to use frames, be sure to make them useable... I have seen tons of sites which uses frames, but in the ugliest way possible (e.g. the menu uses 50% of the window)


If you know how to use frames: Use 'em
If you don't: Learn it

	12-08-2003 02:25									#58
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I use SSI to build up navigation and content. Works great.

Nevertheless I use a lot of nested tables and transparent gifs for placing.

	13-08-2003 20:19									#59
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I have seen way too many sites which could defently use the use of frames. Frames makes it easy (and logical) to find around the site, though few sites would be worse if they use frames (Like Apolyton... I can't see no reason why Apolyton should have frames)

Personally, I have never seen any websites where frames actually improve the design and navigation.

For starters, it screws up bookmarking and navigation.

	14-08-2003 09:29									#60
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I use SSI at my new site. Works like a charm.