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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:30
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Seeking answers to big 'mystery ape'
Clues to new ape species?
By Marsha Walton, CNN
Saturday, August 9, 2003 Posted: 11:05 AM EDT (1505 GMT)
(CNN) -- From a remote region in the heart of Africa to a genetics lab at the Omaha Zoo, scientists are trying to find out if they have a new big ape on their hands.
"It doesn't look much like a gorilla, it doesn't look like a chimpanzee," said primatologist Shelly Williams, who captured a bit of video of the female mystery ape with a baby.
Pictures of the rare ape are scarce. Wildlife photographer Karl Amman, who was first to spot the mysterious mammals a few years ago, said the animal has feet that are about two inches bigger than the average gorilla and is more flat-faced than other apes. Its behavior also sets it apart from other apes, researchers say.
The mystery ape often sleeps in big ground nests. Chimpanzees, for example, usually nest in trees to stay away from predators. And the mystery apes hoot when the moon rises and sets, something chimps don't do for fear of attracting lions and hyenas, Williams said.
So what could this animal be?
"We cannot rule out the possibility that it is a new species of ape, or a new subspecies or some form of hybrid," said Duane Rumbaugh, a professor at Georgia State University.
"Discovering any new primate is a huge thing, a new ape would be incredible, " said Ed Louis, conservation geneticist at the Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha, Nebraska.
Common ancestor
Chimpanzees, bonobos (also known as pygmy chimps), and gorillas are all members of the ape family. Present-day apes and humans had a common ancestor in the distant past -- perhaps 6 million years ago, scientists say.
But Amman found some evidence and plenty of local legend to suggest another type of big ape also may call Africa home. The forest in the north central area of the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the mystery ape lives, is known to be populated by chimpanzees. The nearest gorillas and bonobos are hundreds of miles away.
Williams, who speaks the local language, Lingala, interviewed villagers about their sightings of the creature in the Bili forest of what was once the Belgian Congo and later the Republic of Zaire.
"Some people call them 'lion eaters' because they are so big," Williams said.
Using clever tricks
On her last trip to the region earlier this year she got within about 15 feet of the animals. With some local trackers she was able to follow the apes for several hours. Williams and the trackers used some clever tricks to lure the mystery apes.
Pictures of the 'mystery ape' are rare because the animals are skittish and aggressive. Here a researcher captured an image from afar of one of the animals with her offspring.
"One of my trackers made the sound of a duiker, a small antelope, as if it were in pain," said Williams. Four or five of the mystery primates fell for the ruse and came running to kill it.
Chimpanzees and bonobos both are carnivorous. Chimps are known to eat monkeys, and at times other chimps; bonobos catch and eat fish.
Williams also has a fascinating anecdote from a longtime resident of the region, an 84-year-old Norwegian Baptist missionary known as "Madame Liev."
"Years ago, she was driving an old truck and one of these apes walked by in front of her. It was walking bipedally (upright) and was taller than her, and she's six feet tall," Williams said.
Comparing DNA
Conservation geneticist Ed Louis at the Omaha Zoo is working on an important piece of the ape mystery also.
"We compared fecal samples from this unknown animal to the DNA of captive gorillas, bonobos, and chimps," Louis said. "Our preliminary data shows that the mitochondrial DNA is chimp-like."
But mitochondrial DNA is passed down only from the mother's side. So if this species or sub-species is a hybrid of a chimp mother and a gorilla father, current DNA would only identify information from the mother.
Tests yet to come are nuclear DNA tests: This roadmap would come from both parents.
Is it a hybrid?
If the mystery animal does turn out to be a hybrid of a chimp and a gorilla , for example, such inter-breeding would not be unique in nature. There are several examples of different species breeding successfully, said Louis.
There are hybridized green sea turtles and hawksbill turtles, as well as some hybrids of Borneo and Sumatran orangutans.
Such pairings "can throw a monkey wrench in our idea of species," Louis said.
Louis said he's eager to examine further samples from the mystery ape.
Williams hopes to return to the African habitat this autumn.
She's already working on some tactics to improve her observation. She'll camouflage her skin because the animals have not seen light-skinned humans. She'll also follow the animals and try to camp out near them overnight, and she'll set up three more observation platforms near the animals' nests.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/08/08/coolsc.mysteryape/index.html |
What next? Orang pendak? Sasquatch?
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Proteus_MST
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Interesting.
The Behaviour of creating nests at Ground levels points more to Gorillas than to Chimpanzees,
whereas the mtDNA points to Chimpanzees.
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Gorilla Chimpfvckerus
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Nah, just like pork - the other other white meat!
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Barbequed other other white meat.
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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The Cyborg or the Cyborgorilla?
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Any nominations yet?
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:30
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Aw crap, I'm like 10 years behind the times. I feel old.
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Proteus_MST
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quote:
Originally posted by Odin
No one knows if they can hybridize or not. Don't make assumptions, they have a tendency to come back to shoot you in the foot. Humans and Chimps probably can't hybridize because they have diferent chromosome numbers. Non-human great apes all have 48, we have 46. Even though chimps are more closely related to us than gorillas, gorillas and chimps have the some number of chromosomes. |
After all that Gorillas and Chimps are of different species (Gorilla spec. vs. Pan spec.) points out, that there never has been observed, that a Gorilla mates a Chimp (or vice versa) and this connections produces living Offspring.
ShouldnŽt mean that it is impossible, sometimes Species just live in different Habitats and therefore are unable to mix, for example two different kind of Seagulls, which are considered different Species, because they live in Different Habitats, separated from each other by geographical Barriers and have developed a somewhat different appearance, but who could produce living Offspring if they were not separated by those Barriers and would live in the same Habitate.
And tthere is the Example of interbreeding between Horses and Donkeys, which produces Mules, but those are sterile and therefore could never survive as a separate Species.
So, IŽd think it is somewhat improbable that there was interbreeding between Gorillas ancd Chimps, but wouldnŽt totally dismiss it.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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if apes for 48 and we got 46 how does that preclude mating? how do you explain mules then if horses and donkeys got different chromosone numbers too?
but anyway its always weird how new species are found... you can understand some little bird in the middle of the amazon or some kind of deep sea animal but a land ape? shouldnt that honestly have been noticed decades if not centuries ago?
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