23-02-2004 02:25									#61
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

sent to Arnelos

quote: SUNSHINE & MAST FRIENDSHIP PACT Our two teams fully agree in spirit and in word that: If any of our teams' cities is attacked by another nation, or if an attack on a city is clearly impending, this alliance will spring into action. WHEN IN ACTION: Both teams will fully cooperate with our military forces to fight back the attacker and to protect our cities and citizens. Both teams will share intelligence and cooperate in scouting. The team that is not attacked will declare war on the invading nation IF the team that is attacked requests it. The alliance will then do its best to try to win the war through whatever means are necessary. The alliance will continue to be "in action" until the war is ended by agreement by both teams in the alliance. WHEN NOT IN ACTION (and also while allied): Both teams agree: To perform continual WM exchanges To maintain a good friendship and to cooperate diplomaticly. To research different technology whenever practical. To give favorable trades To a solumn pledge of peace between us and that no hostilities of any kind shall occur. To respect each other's borders and to negotiate any border or settlement disputes. signed: Togas, Minister of Friendly Relations for Team Sunshine ___________, of MAST

	23-02-2004 19:34									#62
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Remember to also get a no trade clause in the Rep-Eng deal.

	02-03-2004 09:48									#63
	Support Apolyton

quote: Arnelos, We would like to aquire Republic from MAST. We propose that we trade MAST Engineering and that MAST give us: Republic + 80g. We will accept 4gpt instead, or portions of GPT and gold. We will also accept a worker + 20g. We plan to soon build a city and link up a 2nd source of iron. We will try to hurry that process if MAST is interested in aquiring iron from us. We also plan to link up another source of horses to trade to MAST. We will be happy to offer the resources in exchange for very small gpt deals or for workers. ALSO... We need to formalize and sign our NAP/MPP agreement. Please meet with me in chat so that we can finalize this. --Togas

	07-03-2004 03:42									#64
	Put an end to popups!

sent to OPD:

quote: I have sent several PMs to Arnelos, but he appears to be too busy to respond I'm going to send you a copy of them. Please get back to me regarding these ASAP: quote: SUNSHINE & MAST FRIENDSHIP PACT Our two teams fully agree in spirit and in word that: If any of our teams' cities is attacked by another nation, or if an attack on a city is clearly impending, this alliance will spring into action. WHEN IN ACTION: Both teams will fully cooperate with our military forces to fight back the attacker and to protect our cities and citizens. Both teams will share intelligence and cooperate in scouting. The team that is not attacked will declare war on the invading nation IF the team that is attacked requests it. The alliance will then do its best to try to win the war through whatever means are necessary. The alliance will continue to be "in action" until the war is ended by agreement by both teams in the alliance. WHEN NOT IN ACTION (and also while allied): Both teams agree: To perform continual WM exchanges To maintain a good friendship and to cooperate diplomaticly. To research different technology whenever practical. To give favorable trades To a solumn pledge of peace between us and that no hostilities of any kind shall occur. To respect each other's borders and to negotiate any border or settlement disputes. signed: Togas, Minister of Friendly Relations for Team Sunshine ___________, of MAST quote: We would like to aquire Republic from MAST. We propose that we trade MAST Engineering and that MAST give us: Republic + 80g. We will accept 4gpt instead, or portions of GPT and gold. We will also accept a worker + 20g. We plan to soon build a city and link up a 2nd source of iron. We will try to hurry that process if MAST is interested in aquiring iron from us. We also plan to link up another source of horses to trade to MAST. We will be happy to offer the resources in exchange for very small gpt deals or for workers. NOTE: I have subsequently been informed that MAST first needs to aquire Currency before Engineering can be aquired. We should arrange for a deal for Currency. Some options: We give Currency + 60g for Republic. We give Currency + Iron (20 turns) for Republic. We give Currency + Horses (20 turns) for Republic. We give Currency + Engineering for Republic + 80g + 2 workers. Please let me know what you'd prefer. --Togas

	07-03-2004 18:32									#65
	Got spare money?

We did not research Currency. Do we want to trade it? Sometime back MAST said they had deals in place to aquire all the AA required techs so they may already have a deal for Currency. Just as we just got Republic from them, they may have sent Republic to Tab as part of a trade for Currency. Did MAST indicate they wanted to trade with us for Currency?

	08-03-2004 00:28									#66
	Get a bigger avatar today!

I thought MAST didn't have Currency. Please clarify. That's why I was writing about terms for it.

I see that they've sent us Republic, but for what? We never finalized a deal for it.

--Togas

	08-03-2004 00:32									#67
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

from OPD

quote: Re: MAST - Sunshine We'd rather have Monothesism than Engineering really, so that we could research Theology. Do you have Mono yet? What do you plan to research ATM or after mono? Also are Tabemono currently doing Feudalism? Have they already finished it? I'm kinda suspicious of Tabe as I think they have contact with the other 3 civs, but I think that may just be me being paranoid. So who will be researching what in terms of Theo, Invention and Chivalry? We'd like to research one of those to trade around rather than have to pay for techs as people are typically extortionate when selling techs. Anyway hope all in well with SS and that you don't have too long a period of government transition, do you have any luxuries to trade? we'll be a Republic next time the save arrives so will need some luxuries to keep the people happy.

	08-03-2004 00:37									#68
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

to OPD

quote: OPD, Looks like there was some confusion on our part. I see that we've received Republic now, but I don't see anywhere in our forum that we agreed on a trade for it. We could trade Monotheism (36) or Engineering (36) for Republic (28) + 80g, but we don't have Monotheism yet. We'll get it in @7 turns. However, we plan to research Theology next and then go straight to Education. Tabemono is researching Feudalism now, and they plan to go to Chivalry. We have no idea what LL is researching as they're not very talkative. We can give you guys Engineering instead and have you go for Invention. No one is going for that tech. Tabemono has confirmed that they found the other continent. We are going to try to get a new WM from them soon and you will also get it as we plan to continue doing our WM exchanges with you. We will have another incense linked up soon ... probably within the next 10 turns. We will also have another source of iron and horses linked up in 10-20 turns. We plan to offer them to you. Oh, and please sign and return the treaty I sent to you. --Togas

	08-03-2004 02:03									#69
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

from OPD

quote: Marvelous! In that case Engineering is cool, I guess we'll have a talk with Tabe about Feudalism if you are going for Theo, Going by LL's behaviour I'd say they may also have contact with the other world. In fact judging by the coastline, the sea to the NE of the LL city of Monica would be a likely spot. Anyway, if there is anything we can do for you while you're in anarchy or just in general just ask.

	08-03-2004 15:43									#70
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Togas I thought MAST didn't have Currency. Please clarify. That's why I was writing about terms for it. I see that they've sent us Republic, but for what? We never finalized a deal for it. --Togas

I never said MAST had Currency. I said we did not research it. We got it from Tab. Do we have a no trade clause on that one? Also some time back when MAST was lining up deals for the final bunch of Ancient Age techs they said they had deals in place for all the techs they would need to get out of the AA. So I figured they had a deal in place for Curency. Maybe that deal fell through or maybe that deal has not been concluded yet.

	08-03-2004 15:47									#71
	Suffering from ads?

I think MAST is reluctant to give us any gold as they want it for upgrades. How about this:

They gave us Republic.
We give then Engineering.
They give us Invention.
We give them Monotheism.

That is 72 tech points each.

	09-03-2004 02:17									#72
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by HarryH They gave us Republic. We give then Engineering. They give us Invention. We give them Monotheism. That is 72 tech points each.

Excellent proposal.

I'll send it out now.

--Togas

	14-04-2004 22:39									#73
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Heya SS, This turn we received feudalism from Tabemono with the hope that we will research chivalry in exchange for it, however we kinda need mono too, will you be able to trade it to us this turn so we can make a start on Chivarly next turn? Then when we finish Chiv we’ll give it to you and we can work something out for the difference when the time comes. mast

We'll get Feud from Tab. MAST needs to work on Invention.

--Togas

	14-04-2004 22:46									#74
	Got spare money?

quote: OPD, Tabemono is researching Chivalry and we already have a deal in place with them to trade for it. MAST should research Invention. In the past we proposed that we give MAST Engineering and Monotheism for Republic and Invention. We had assumed you agreed, but it was never officially confirmed. Will you confirm this trade? We also need to officially SIGN a peace treaty/alliance between us. It was agreed to in chat, but never officially signed, and I think it's in both of our interest to do so. Please confirm this agreement as well. We will have extra iron and horses linked up just as soon as you request them. We can also link up an extra luxury if you request that. --Togas

	15-04-2004 00:08									#75
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

In one of the turns (about 10 back?) MAST sent us Republic and 80g and we sent them Engineering. That was one of the offers we made to them so the Eng/Mono for Rep/Inv is no longer a viable deal.

As for Chivalry and Invention, if MAST has worked out something with Tab where MAST goes for Chivalry then I suspect Tab is going for Invention. Or maybe Tab is going for Theo to beat us to Sistine's.

	15-04-2004 00:14									#76
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'm getting confused...

	15-04-2004 04:35									#77
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Togas, I'm unsure as to the research path, have sent a pm to Uno with you copied in. To tell you the truth we'd much rather research invention. We never did confirm the eng + mono deal for rep + invention this sounds like a good deal to me however unless I'm mistaken we did give you 80g a while back in payment for the engineering cost difference. Lux and horses would be cool, I was thinking perhaps we could send 2 or 3 workers to your lands to help out with developments? We have a good growth rate now due to the floodplains and will be able to spare some workers in the not too distant future. Concerning the alliance, we are fully in support of this although it is no mistake that it has not been signed. Somewhere around turn 98 - 100 we signed an agreement of non-aggression with LL to last for 40 turns. This deal is the corner stone of our security and we may very well be under attack from LL right now if it wasn't for this deal. The reality being that LL are, and for a while have been, capable of rolling over us with incredible ease. However by the time the deal ends we hope to have a serious defensive force built and maybe even gunpowder for muskets. Therefore although we'll gladly sign any alliance you must be aware that we cannot go to war with LL until the deal is up. Concerning the alliance between our peoples, we are two very well suited teams, you being com/sci builder race and us being mil/rel. Perhaps we can move towards a situation where you concentrate more on the builder side of things and we concentrate on the military aspects? opd

Looks like they did send us 80g, so maybe we can still do the tech trade and throw in a lux or resource for 20 turns instead.

I do like their suggestion about workers, and their proposal of working together long term is also appealing.

--Togas

	15-04-2004 04:38									#78
	Tired of ads?

However, this confuses the hell out of me...

quote: quote: UnOrthOdOx wrote on 14-04-2004 21:45:21: Chiv for Feudalism. = tech points according to what the techies are telling me. quote: quote: Uno, mast are currently unsure of which tech we are to research, is it invention or chivalry? opd

	20-04-2004 07:38									#79
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: OPD, Our Sunshine Leader is ahead of me on this, as he already posted to our forum with a solution: Please ignore my last email. Monotheism is 4 points more than Chivalry. We will gift you Monotheism. Please send us 40gold in return to make up the different in tech costs. So that we don't waste any further turns, we'll gift it to you this turn. When you get Chivalry, please immediately gift it to us. Please let me know if this is acceptable to you. --Togas

	23-04-2004 01:20									#80
	Remove this text

in response to my email on 4/19, OPD wrote back:

quote: Yeah this is good, will do so next turn

--Togas

	07-05-2004 10:39									#81
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: OPD, We are offering INCENSE to your people this turn. We have not set a price and invite you to propose a price to us. Your people are our friends and neighbors and so we certainly do not want to make this expensive for you. We want to share our joyous incense with you and peacefully and harmoniously live together. Please offer us a small GPT deal for the incense and we will happily accept. We also have iron and horses that we may link up, if you so desire. We hope that all is well with your people and we hope to continue to share more of our blessings with you as they come available. --Togas

	21-05-2004 22:36									#82
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Received in e-mail from OPD with the 190 BC save:

quote: Any chance we could get some horses?

My reply:

quote: We have only one source. We have workers on the way to connect a second source. We had to hold back our workers a bit due to barb activity in the area. The barbs are now under control. I will see if the team is interested in sending you our single source of horses. -- Albin (HarryH)

My guess is they want to start building some horsemen before they get Chivalry so they do upgrade them.

	28-05-2004 22:27									#83
	Support Apolyton

IMO, our diplomatic policy towards MAST should continue to be extremely friendly and generous. Once we link up the 2nd horses we should offer them to MAST.

--Togas

	09-07-2004 01:42									#84
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: I have already played the save but forgot to give you WM. I’m not sure whether I’m allowed to replay in this case (normally I would but my turn-protocol is not accurate enough to replay 100%) Another Issue, could you loan us some gold? Not much, only 30g but we have been running a deficit for some time now and need some cash to finish a project. We’ll be able to pay you back in 5 turns. Bongo, minister of fine art, MAST

I see no problem with them replaying the save to send us WM.

Also approve us loaning them 30g.

--Togas

	22-07-2004 06:07									#85
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

sent with the save:

quote: The save, world maps, and the 30 gold we borrowed J Chivalry is done next turn. I believe we owe you that one according to an old tech-deal. Oh, we are playing a little joke on the rest of the teams btw. If you find out before they do, don’t tell anyone You wouldn’t have some horses to borrow us btw? Bongo

Previously we agreed:

quote: We will gift you Monotheism. Please send us 40gold in return to make up the different in tech costs. So that we don't waste any further turns, we'll gift it to you this turn. When you get Chivalry, please immediately gift it to us.

So it's good to see them following up.

--Togas

	22-07-2004 06:38									#86
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Yep.

We should have horses to send them in a couple more turns. Iron as well, as we do not need it for now (we want to build Horsemen for upgrades and have no use for Pikemen).

	22-07-2004 07:16									#87
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

What's the "little joke"? Any clues?

	22-07-2004 08:01									#88
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Wondering the same thing. Maybe it's before my time.

	30-07-2004 21:50									#89
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Bongo, We now have extra horses! arty: Can you send us a friendly gift of gpt in exchange for our horses? Is so, let me know. We'll need enough to cover our expenses for feeding and raising them, and the cost to herd them to your border. --Togas

	31-07-2004 02:14									#90
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: I'll see what our poor little civ can cough up (don't remember if we were 6th or 7th in GNP last turn ) After we were done with chivalry we have stopped research completely so I guess we got enough money, gotta check with OPD. You'll hear from me shortly What are you researching now btw? Any new research deals on the horizon? Bongo