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What makes a superstate? Is Canada one? Australia? The US?
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Frozzy
I'm British:
I think that the EU, despite the free-trade benifits et al, hampers a members relationship with the rest of the world. All are fundamentally governed by Brussels; from the amount you can eat to how much fuel is taxed. Countries have far less freedom than outside of the EU. And it is a drain on nations such as Britain where refugees come in by the shipful. With EU regulations, Britain can't turn them away and the NHS is bogged down with Kosovans with TB and Albanians with menigicoccol diseases.
The EU only aids those poor nations, and is a hinderance to economic powers (e.g. Britain).
To answer your question; The EU is a Superstate as 50% of all nations are governed from Brussels, as I stated. You can freely travel through them all, get free health from plases like Britain, etc. Even US States have about the same freedom as EU members now. |
u can't turn away refugees? is there neway we can dump them in norway. I'd luv to freak out those xenophobes.
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yavoon
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I imagine that EU becoming a superstate will just create this giant socialist animal that breeds off what promises to be the most enormous beaurocracy on the planet.
I can see for extending ur power through one engine be it economic or military being handy. but I wouldn't give up my hopes for an economically efficient country to some enormous gov't w/ all but certain socialist bendings.
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HershOstropoler
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It's really strange how the EU is percieved. It's either weak as NAFTA or an all-regulating superstate; it's either socialist or a tool of evil neoliberalism.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
It's really strange how the EU is percieved. It's either weak as NAFTA or an all-regulating superstate; it's either socialist or a tool of evil neoliberalism. |
well I'm conjecturing as to its future. supposing it has about the power of the US federal gov't. then taking into account the political leanings of today as well as the trend.
all that leads me to giant socialist uber state. tho I am not a fortune teller, atleast now u can tell how I got there.
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HershOstropoler
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Originally posted by yavoon
well I'm conjecturing as to its future. supposing it has about the power of the US federal gov't. then taking into account the political leanings of today as well as the trend.
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In the field of economics, the EU has about the same legislative powers as the US federal government. The result of that is mostly liberalization. Telecoms, electricity, gas, financial services, public procurement, etc etc....
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
In the field of economics, the EU has about the same legislative powers as the US federal government. The result of that is mostly liberalization. Telecoms, electricity, gas, financial services, public procurement, etc etc.... |
ok...and? I guess no need a point. k I read ur post!
=D
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Saras
This was as comprehesible as bambirbyja kirgudu. |
the post I was replying to had no conclusion[end sentence]
I thot about it for a second, and I suppose it didn't matter[end sentence]
I informed the person I was replying to that I had read his aimless post just so he didn't think I ignored him[end sentence]
=D is a smilie
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HershOstropoler
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You said:
"supposing it has about the power of the US federal gov't."
As far as economic law is concerned, there is no need to "suppose".
"then taking into account the political leanings of today"
...should lead to socialism, that was your point, or? It hasn't.
Conclusion: Your position rests on incorrect assumptions.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
You said:
"supposing it has about the power of the US federal gov't."
As far as economic law is concerned, there is no need to "suppose".
"then taking into account the political leanings of today"
...should lead to socialism, that was your point, or? It hasn't.
Conclusion: Your position rests on incorrect assumptions. |
which assumption was incorrect? all I can easily comprehend is that u think the EU has the same power as the US federal gov't. which is a joke, but somewhat irrelevant(given that ur perception of reality meshes w/ my assumption of the future) so I'm going to try not to go there.
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HershOstropoler
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"u think the EU has the same power as the US federal gov't. which is a joke"
I said "about the same legislative powers" and "in the field of economics". I consider that the relevant issue for socialism or liberalism, not say the military.
If you want to dispute that point, go ahead. I'll have fun.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"u think the EU has the same power as the US federal gov't. which is a joke"
I said "about the same legislative powers" and "in the field of economics". I consider that the relevant issue for socialism or liberalism, not say the military.
If you want to dispute that point, go ahead. I'll have fun. |
sigh...ok I can see ur looking for a fight. I'll try valiantly to keep the train on track.
which assumption is incorrect.
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HershOstropoler
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I'm not looking for a fight. And I already stated the incorrect assumptions.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
I'm not looking for a fight. And I already stated the incorrect assumptions. |
be a doll and state it again. obviously when I asked again I wanted clarification. no need to get moody.
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HershOstropoler
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Your assumptions about the EU's legisllative powers and about a prevailing socialist trend are wrong.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Your assumptions about the EU's legisllative powers and about a prevailing socialist trend are wrong. |
oh so europe isnt socialist. funny guy.
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HershOstropoler
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What is socialist about the EU? CAP is. And what else?
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yavoon
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
What is socialist about the EU? CAP is. And what else? |
the massive amounts of taxation. the massive amts of subsidies. socialized healthcare, large welfare programs, uber powerful unions. I dont know man wut do u wnt? a list?
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