14-08-2003 07:06									#1
	Best Ever Movie - Round Two Suffering from ads?

It is now time for the second round of Apolyton's "Best Ever Movie" poll.

In this round, twelve (expanded from the original ten due to a tie for 10th place) movies will face off against eachother in a straight poll.

The top 2 movies will advance to the final.

This round ends on Midnight, August 19th, GMT

	14-08-2003 07:43									#2
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Where are the point totals for the 1st round? The movie "Patton" had 15 points and it's not in the next round.

	14-08-2003 07:46									#3
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After looking at peoples results as they posted them, Patton has 8 points.

I did not look at any changed votes.

	14-08-2003 07:51									#4
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matrix.

	14-08-2003 07:59									#5
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Then look because I changed my vote well before you closed the voting.

	14-08-2003 08:04									#6
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My God! What a mixed list......

A few greats, and lots of junk!

	14-08-2003 08:07									#7
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decent list, but missing a lot of movies.....

and a few that shouldn't be there, matrix, fight club, gladiator..... all pretty good movies, but far from greatest movie ever

	14-08-2003 08:12									#8
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matrix fanboys suck (and fangirls)

	14-08-2003 08:15									#9
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Well, realizing this is nothing more than a beauty contest, I have voted for the movie I like watching most, which is Shawshank. Not to say that I think it is cinematically superior to Kane, Godfather or Chinatown, only that I like it best.

	14-08-2003 08:18									#10
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shawshank is my #1, but i damn love the matrix.

	14-08-2003 08:24									#11
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I may have missed the last one, but Fight Club gets my vote here

	14-08-2003 08:26									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Then look because I changed my vote well before you closed the voting.

I think Frozzy's point is that he counted only the original votes, not the amended ones. Changing votes was a means of manipulating the system.

	14-08-2003 08:44									#13
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How are Matrix, Shawshank, and Fight Club tied for 1st?!?! GO FIGHT CLUB! (although shawshank is excellant as well)

	14-08-2003 08:50									#14
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	14-08-2003 08:54									#16
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quote: Well, realizing this is nothing more than a beauty contest, I have voted for the movie I like watching most, which is Shawshank. Not to say that I think it is cinematically superior to Kane, Godfather or Chinatown, only that I like it best.

Same reason, different movie:

Braveheart

	14-08-2003 11:19									#17
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I wouldn't say that about Braveheart, it has everything. Love, passion, friendship, cruelty, war, loyalty, betrayal... Man...

I saw Godfather for the first time a few months ago. It did not live up to expectations. I thought Goodfellas was a better mob movie, although Al Pacino was good.

The Matrix? OK, I guess. Boring, I think.

Shawshank Redemption is good. I cry every time at the end. What a girl.

	14-08-2003 11:21									#18
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Matrix

	14-08-2003 11:23									#19
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	14-08-2003 11:27									#20
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I gotta tell ya, if "Matrix" wins I might not come to Apolyton anymore.

Otoh, nawwwwwwwww.

	14-08-2003 11:28									#21
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Some of those choices are ridiculous...

Citizen Kane? Boring.
Godfather? Boring.
Chinatown? Boring.
Casablanca? Boring.

	14-08-2003 11:29									#22
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Matrix: Simplistic
Star Wars: Child-like and possibly the most over-rated piece of shiite since "The 10 Commandments." No, make that "ever."
Gladiator:
Fight Club: Deep movie... if you're 13.

	14-08-2003 11:30									#23
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David, you don't really know film, do you?

	14-08-2003 11:32									#24
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I don't care about technical film making, I care about what's enjoyable. If I'm bored by a movie, then the movie sucks, in my opinion.

And don't get me started on books that are considered classics, either

	14-08-2003 11:34									#25
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I would hope that film is about what you experience while watching it...

	14-08-2003 11:36									#26
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I agree. Watching "The Matrix", for example, gets me into a very philosophical mood, as well as touching on the subject of martial arts. As those are two of my favorite things/subjects, it stands to reason that I consider "Matrix" a great movie.

	14-08-2003 11:36									#27
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Well, "knowing what films you like" is not the same as "knowing about films."

Given that for some reason you brought up "classic" books, plus given the fact that you listed the only 4 movies that would logically qualify on a "top 10 American films" list, it seems readily apparent that your problem is not with the films themselves but other peoples' appreciation of them and their (the films and books) elevation to "classic" status.

As we used to say in my HS days: WHATever!

	14-08-2003 11:39									#28
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quote: Well, "knowing what films you like" is not the same as "knowing about films."

Granted, but the phrase "Best Ever Movie" to me is asking "Which film do you enjoy the most?".

quote: Given that for some reason you brought up "classic" books, plus given the fact that you listed the only 4 movies that would logically qualify on a "top 10 American films" list, it seems readily apparent that your problem is not with the films themselves but other peoples' appreciation of them and their (the films and books) elevation to "classic" status.

I have no problem with other people enjoying Casablanca or Catcher in the Rye, I just find both mindnumbingly boring. Therefore, I don't consider Casablanca a good movie, nor do I think Catcher in the Rye is a good book. Or Shakespeare, for that matter.

If you enjoy it, great But don't try to tell me that I should think those are great movies/books, because I just don't enjoy them, and to me, the only reason to see a movie or read a work of fiction is for enjoyment.

	14-08-2003 11:42									#29
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT it seems readily apparent that your problem is not with the films themselves but other peoples' appreciation of them

Oh, you mean like how people get mad about Titanic?

I only read books that are considered classic, although I don't always like them (Will Faulkner). It usually means the writer knows what they were doing or was interesting enough to make a lasting impression on people.

There was a a quote about this about Shakespeare. It was something like that he's very good, in spite of the fact that people are always saying he's very good. Hype makes for a big let-down sometimes.

	14-08-2003 11:44									#30
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Naw, it's gotta be more than that. Your comment was unprovoked, out of nowhere, obviously meant to antagonize, and, well, "ridiculous."