15-08-2003 04:33									#1
	Diplomacy: Reports, Instructions, PMs... Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

This thread is for reports, chatlogs, PM pasting, and instructions from someone placed in charge of making final decisions in foreign policy (always overrulable by a majority vote in a poll, of course) ONLY.

PLEASE do not post discussion in this thread. A seperate thread will exist for discussion of foreign affairs. The idea is that we can have an easy access thread such as this for posting chatlogs and PMs so everyone can read them without digging through 5 pages of discussion.

Thanks

	15-08-2003 13:16									#2
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I don't think we should place too much information in this thread, only the most important stuff. Chatlogs, PMs should go in own threads(one for each team?)

I know I weren't supposed to comment in this thread so I write a diplomatic report on Sunshine and remove my comments on a later time

Team: Sunshine
Civ: Greece, expansionistic and commercial(?) (Starts with scout, friendlier huts, lower corruption, higher commerce on city squares in cities and metros)
UU: Hoplite ADM=1.3.1
Golden Age? Unknown, most likely not yet.

Leader: WhiteBandit (former leader: Ruby_Maser)
Ambassadour to MAST: NuclearMaster (?)
MAST Ambassadour to Sunshine: Bongo

Foreign relations:
Contact with MAST

Trade: None

Techs we don't have: Bronze Working
Techs they don't have: none

Agreements:
Sunshine have suggested a 30 turn NAP with us

Thread : Hippies

Last edited by bongo on 18-08-2003 at 13:44

	16-08-2003 06:37									#3
	Got spare money?

FROM SUNSHINE TO MAST:

I, the Ambassador of Sunshina, hereby offer the following proposal to the Nation of MAST.

If you agree to this proposal as outlined, mark your name on the bottom of the document and forward it to Nuclear Master. It shall then be considered a binding agreement once I've received it.Sunshina And MAST Hereby Agree:We wish for there to be peace, prosperity and sunshine between us, and in order to ensure that peace we hereby agree to the following:

1) There shall be no war or conflict between us. Our units shall not attack each other, nor shall they enter the cultural borders of the other party without permission from the other team. This shall be considered a Non-Aggression Pact.

2) Both our teams shall not settle 3 tiles or less away from our cultural borders.

4) When writing is discovered Sunshina and MAST will give their contacts to each other.

5) This agreement shall remain private. Should either team break this agreement the other team may make the agreement public and notify any other team of it and of the violation by the offending team.

6) This agreement shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties. This agreement shall be open for renegotiating after 25 turns have passed


Chat between Nuclear Master of Sunshine and Arnelos of MAST:

Past Magic4: hey
Arnelos: hey
Arnelos: I responded to your PM
Past Magic4: one sec
Past Magic4: Yup
Past Magic4: so the tech and NAP?
Arnelos: correct
Past Magic4: I have this for the NAP
Arnelos: have what for the nap?
Past Magic4: an official agreement
Arnelos: ah
Past Magic4: I, the Ambassador of Sunshina, hereby offer the following proposal to the Nation of MAST. If you agree to this proposal as outlined, mark your name on the bottom of the document and forward it to Nuclear Master. It shall then be considered a binding agreement once I've received it.Sunshina And MAST Hereby Agree:We wish for there to be peace, prosperity and sunshine between us, and in order to ensure that peace we hereby agree to the following:1) There shall be no war or conflict between us. Our units shall not attack each other, nor shall they enter the cultural borders of the other party without permission from the other team. This shall be considered a Non-Aggression Pact.2) Both our teams shall not settle 3 tiles or less away from our cultural borders.4) When writing is discovered Sunshina and MAST will give their contacts to each other. 5) This agreement shall remain private. Should either team break this agreement the other team may make the agreement public and notify any other team of it and of the violation by the offending team.6) This agreement shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties. This agreement shall be open for renegotiating after 25 turns have passed
Past Magic4: Might be to hard to read
Arnelos: yeah...
Arnelos: lemme copy it into a text file
Past Magic4: k
Arnelos: hmm
Past Magic4: you can make changes :-)
Arnelos: The contacts trading is likely to be more problematic than the signing of a NAP
Past Magic4: We knew it
Arnelos: ideally, we'd want to trade contacts in fair trades
Arnelos: since we have a 2-move warriors that acts as a scout
Arnelos: that's one of our ONLY game advantages
Past Magic4: correct
Past Magic4: Other then being religious
Past Magic4: which helps
Arnelos: we'd have to be stupid to throw that away
Arnelos: We're more than willing to exhange contacts in fair trades, however
Past Magic4: so would we
Past Magic4: I bet no one else has contact with each other
Arnelos: I would bet the same right now
Arnelos: it seems it was blind luck that lead you all to establish contact with us
Arnelos: we have jaguars rather far away from home, but haven't found any other civs yet
Arnelos: just lots of very crappy land
Past Magic4: *sigh*
Arnelos: desert, jungle, mountains
Arnelos: some forest and plains here and there, though
Past Magic4: I bet Latin Lovers have two cities
Arnelos: the score means they must
Past Magic4: exactly
Arnelos: they either started with 2 settlers or popped one from a hut on turns 1-2
Past Magic4: correct
Past Magic4: I wonder if anyone else had goody hut lucj
Arnelos: seemingly just you and Latin
Arnelos: we got maps from our only goodie hut thusfar
Past Magic4: :-(
Arnelos: Looking at your proposal...
Arnelos: that contact trading line has to go
Arnelos: the only other iffy one is the minimum 4-tile spacing on cities
Arnelos: actually, more than 3 tiles from the BORDERS of the other civ, meaning 5 tiles
Arnelos: that's a bit high
Arnelos: wouldn't it be easier to simply promise that with our NAP, we will reject all culture flips and if any city flips and we can't say no (never run into this, but whatever) we must immediately return it to its original owner?
Past Magic4: hmm
Past Magic4: what about 2 tiles?
Arnelos: 2 tiles is probably workable
Past Magic4: :-)
Arnelos: that works out to 4 tiles
Arnelos: Alright, we'll see how people react to this.

	18-08-2003 13:43									#4
	Put an end to popups!

Got this PM from ruby_maser. It appears that he no longer are the leader of the hippies

To my esteemed friend and colleague:

I apologize for the lateness of my reply, but I have only returned from a brief vacation this very day, and I would like to send you my "warmest" regards and best wishes as our new ambassador to the great Iraqi civilization.

Though I hope it has been resolved by now, the term limits of our leadership has forced me into political retirement and an undeserved life of leisure in an estate on the outskirts of Sunshinia. My time is mostly spent on speaking tours to recount my successes in office and gloss over my failures ...and to preach of the virtues of spf protection and the ills of not staring at the sun enough; hence, my recent absence.

It may be a moot point now, but I would like to refer you to our current leadership, the supremely-capable and severely-sunny hippie-elect WhiteBandit. Also, IIRC, Nuclear Master, a veritable supernova of diplomatic grace and tact, has been given the privilege and honor of being the ambassador to your great nation.

I wish you all the best in your position and hope that the friendship and cooperation of our two great nations will outshine a thousand suns.

Yours truly,
ruby_maser
ex-Leader of the Sunshine People


Sent another PM to WhiteBandit
New Ambassadour
Word has reached me that you, the most wise and sun-tanned WhiteBandit has replaced ruby_maser as leader of the great sunshinian people.

I have come from the peace-loving and honest nation of Mohammed al-Sahaf to serve as ambassadour to the great court of Sunshinia. May your days be many and joyful and may the clouds obstruct the sun only when you are in danger of getting sun-burnt.

To give proof of my good faith I will repeat my promise to ruby_maser, I will never again name a save 'stick it where the sun doesn't shine.sav' or even something remotely offensive.

I sincerely hope that our two people can cooperate and prosper in the most peaceful and enlightend manner.


Yours
Bongo, Minister of Peace, Love and Understanding, Mohammed al-Sahaf Team

Last edited by bongo on 18-08-2003 at 16:26