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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:30
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In my absense *cough* it seems that this forum has started to die a slow death.
I propose we make it more lively, like it was earlier this year.
To do that, this will sound drastic, but we need to abandon our current nations, which have all grown to gargantuan proportions, and start afresh, and equal. We create new nations on the same day, or within a short space of time.
That way, new people can join and not be intimidated by the giants, and we will face much greater competition from each other... making it fun! 
Some people will obviously be reluctant to give up their advantageously large nations, but methinks its for the best. Its not in the best interests of the game to have people who are effectively on "god mode", at the expense of those that would join and those who are smaller.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:30
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I'd be inclined to say no, on both counts (with exceptions). Using puppet states in alliances has been quite popular (I did it myself), but it doesn't really add anything to the game, and once one person starts doing it, everyone thinks they have to. The only real exception I can see would be to have puppet states that are not allied with one another, like that guy did with Upper and Lower Riis.
On the issue of enforcement - a simple answer. If the majority of the region decides to do this, and someone refuses to comply, we ignore them, and possibly eject them from the region if they get annoying enough. As a region, we don't have to RP with anyone we don't want to.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:30
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Personally, I am against this idea, and forcing people to stop using their nations now seems a little silly to me. We have watched these nations grow. Am I the only one that is a bit attached to their nations, whether it has turned out as we expected or not. Akiria and Zetaris are important to me, and I don't plan to simply give them up, because someone else thinks it wouold be fun to start again. Besides the unrealism (all nations don't start from an equal place) we will lose out considerably in inter-regio RPing and trade. We have much power at the moment due to the size and power of our nations. That will not continue if our region goes from 80 odd Billion to 600 Million. Also, there aremany people in Apolyton that do not used 'Poly, and so will not a) be consolted about this or b) will not take part in it. Doing this will mean Apolyton becomes completely isolated from the rest of the world, unable to RP with the other thousands of nations who will not restart.
Now, I think it would be far better to petition Max to restart the game afresh, and put all nations back to 5 Million people new nations. But with just Apolyton doing it, it makes us incredibly insular, and goes against all the "Apolyton is free to anyone" that this region was founded as. Ejecting people because they refuse to comply? That is going way to far. Let Apolyton use the same rules as the other 90,000 nations, and not decide to be different and go against the rest of NS 
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:30
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Drogue: It depends on how degraded this game has now become. One cannot deny that it currently sucks! You don't have to give up on your nations, rather, you create a new one and RP with only that. There is nothing stopping you from keeping your big nations.
Still, nationstates.net and apolyton.net have a different dymanic, partly because non poly people use NS. Hence, we can RP on NS with current nations, but on apolyton, we have smaller nations.
One possible option is to use the strength of economy etc as a means of determining a new population size, regardless of what is said on NS. That means that relative strengths can be maintained while competition can still be provided by newcomers.
Another possible option would be to create the "apolyton II" region or something.
Let me emphasize this point, if things carry on as they are, this game will most likely wither and die.
I agree that we should not eject people for not complying, rather, just ignore them. With enough people on board, the rest will follow.
Drogue: As you stand to lose the most (in terms of RP power) if this plan is carried out, we can take your views with a pinch of the subjective salt  . Nonetheless, if we are to continue playing this game, have keeping it healthy and accessible to others, drastic measures are required.
That will mean people giving up their precious advantages. On the other hand, that will provide a challenge, whereas now, the larger nations are almost like playing a shoot em up on god mode! Thats not good for the game.
In terms of inter region conflicts and power play, well since I've been here, thats represented little or nothing in this game, and we can live without it. As such, as you put it, being insular, would not in fact be too harmful. If a large nation decides to move into apolyton region after that, well we can still have our big nations on NS to ensure they behave  .
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:30
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If we go with the new region idea (which has crossed my mind too, and looks like a good solution), then it's pretty simple - we create the new region (we could call it Apolytonia, New Apolyton, or whatever people want...), password-protect it, and ebcause it would have a founder, we can change the password and/or expel intruder nations if need be. The only problem that I can see is forum use - do we continue using this forum for old and new regions (thus creating confusion), stop using this forum for the old nations, or create a completely new forum?
As for CFC - no, we aren't still at war with them, if we ever were, and they seem to have broken up into two regions by now. Their original one seems to be dying, though I'm not sure about their new one.
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17-08-2003 03:02
Its crazy enough to work!
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