17-08-2003 20:03									#1
	End Spam by criminalizing the purchase of their products? Put an end to popups!

E-mail spam happens because they only need something like 1 in 100,000 emails to lead to a sale to break even.

So, rather than the endless war on the supply side, why not hit the demand side by cracking down on those 2,500 people in the US who actually buy those products?

Pass a federal law imposing, say, a $500 fine for buying a product or service sold in an unsolicited email. Then conduct a couple of sting operations and publicize it. That ought to cut demand down to zero.

	17-08-2003 20:05									#2
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punish the spammers, not the dopes that buy their products/services...

	17-08-2003 20:09									#3
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ya theres these things called a delete button and filter. There pretty much idiot proof. Try using them


ya punish a form of legitamate advertising

	17-08-2003 20:10									#4
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quote: ya punish a form of legitamate advertising

let's make it illegitimate...

Spammers are *******s... they should be shot

	17-08-2003 20:13									#5
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Why not make spam illegal ? In Europe, we have tons of legislations about it, and a European spam mail can easily be shut down if it doesn't follow the law closely.
Useless to say, about all of the spam I get originates in the US (or at least targets me with products for the American market).

	17-08-2003 20:14									#6
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I dont get it. Whats the big fvckin deal? People make money off it? What do you want? Them to charge spammers for each email they send!? Email service is still free.

You know that slope is very slippery. Ide rather put up with spam then pay for email.

	17-08-2003 20:15									#7
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Better yet, make "spammer" an affirmative defense for assault. Thus, if you beat the crap out of a spammer (and can show that the victim is indeed a spammer) there are no criminal charges or civil actions.

	17-08-2003 20:17									#8
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Fine, but if you try to beat up a spammer and fail, then he whips your ass and smashes your face in with a porcelin lamp and then nails it to an anthill.


Its your own fault :P

	17-08-2003 20:18									#9
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Making spam illegal is useless as it crosses international borders. Taxing email is unpopular.

Faded glory, people do make money off of it, but it costs the economy a lot more in wasted bandwidth and such than they make. If you ever wanted an example of abusive externalization of costs, this is it.

Fact is, spammers are merely reacting to the presence of a certain market. Take away that market, and problem solved. The only people adversely affected are those 2,500 Americans that order penis enlargement pills online, and frankly I could care less about what happens to them.

	17-08-2003 20:19									#10
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I think it should be illegal for spammers to defend themselves when being beaten into bloody pulp.

	17-08-2003 20:19									#11
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FG you have some very weird assumptions about what getting rid of spam would be like. Read Spiffor's post. Spam can be eliminated and everything else can remain the same. Even with filters and blocking and stuff, I still get 5-6 emails a day from spammers. It's annoying, it takes up space on my hotmail account, and it takes time to get rid of these ****ers. Spammers spread virii, worms, and other damaging pieces of code. They expose children to obscene material and represent the worst kinds of people in a capitalist system. Spammers are no different than street hoods out to screw people in effort to make money.

	17-08-2003 20:55									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Faded glory, people do make money off of it, but it costs the economy a lot more in wasted bandwidth and such than they make. If you ever wanted an example of abusive externalization of costs, this is it.

This is the main reason for the world to unite against spammers. They are bloody parasites, draining limited resources for their own gain.

They don't need to pay for their own crap, everybody else does. That's why spam should be illegal, just like junk faxes are.

	17-08-2003 22:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think it should be illegal for spammers to defend themselves when being beaten into bloody pulp.

Hey guys: I bet that faded glory is a spammer. Why else would he defend them so much.

Asmodean

	17-08-2003 22:27									#14
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How about forming a service that tracks the spammer's address, then publishes that address as an add-on to the spam message? Eventually someone will take care of Mr. Spammer.

	17-08-2003 22:31									#15
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Well, the Soylent Green solution would be to convince Hormel to make Spam out of known Spammers..

	17-08-2003 22:34									#16
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And how would the police catch those criminal consumers? By sending mass "test"-spam mails and whoever answers gets a fine? Thank you very much!

	18-08-2003 00:00									#17
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punishing the consumers? That's even more wrong that punishing the junkies.

	18-08-2003 00:02									#18
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But its for their own good!

	18-08-2003 07:53									#19
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Like I said you're only punishing people who would order penis enlargement pills online, or access internet kiddie porn.

I'm not saying this is the most moral solution, it is merely the most practical. Carried out right, it can be quite moral as well.

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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Hey guys: I bet that faded glory is a spammer. Why else would he defend them so much.

Indeed he is. He admitted to it before.

	18-08-2003 08:31									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Like I said you're only punishing people who would order penis enlargement pills online, or access internet kiddie porn. I'm not saying this is the most moral solution, it is merely the most practical. Carried out right, it can be quite moral as well.

How can you say it's more practical? Punishing the buyers of products, so long as said products are prefectly legal, is utter nonsense. It's a complete waste of time and money to track down the indviduals who buy from spam ads (how on earth would you find this out anyway without a massive invasion of privacy). If you want to target anybody, crack down harshly on spammers.

	18-08-2003 09:02									#22
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The worst kind of spammer is the porn spammer, because they often send e-mails with very explicit titles, and often children can end up getting this spam. These people should be given prison sentences if tracked, if not tracked then their sites should be demolished by cracking.

	19-08-2003 01:52									#23
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im not a spammer in the true sense. I use netsend to spam. and ive already defended myself on this before. I totally tell recievers how to block netsends. I dont clog your boxes with email (as you like to claim/exagerate )


I defend it because its a legitamate form of advertising. And the only reason your against it, is because the BIG guys have told you to be against it. Spam is a threat to there money-making. One guy and a program can now reach millions for free, instead of paying millions to reach maybe 100 people on TV or Radio.

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	19-08-2003 04:40									#24
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Spam is not free. It's freeloading.

Someone else is paying for the processing power and the bandwidth used to send it.

Boris, my plan would be to set up a sting operation.

Cracking down on spammers is not practical because they would simply move overseas beyond the reach of the Feds (though perhaps we could then bust 'em as terrorists?) Make it so no one buys from spam emails, and people won't bother sending them.

	19-08-2003 09:30									#25
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"Someone else is paying for the processing power and the bandwidth used to send it. "

Bullshit. If John Q doesnt have to pay to send emails to his girlfriend, why should Joehasaproduct2sell?

	19-08-2003 19:41									#26
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John Q does pay, by way of the advertising that he is shown when he sends email if he is using one of those free email servers. The advertising revenue covers the costs of his email sending and recieving.

However, Joehasaproduct2sell only generates the same amount of ad revenue for the email company, but uses 10,000 times the resources. Unless Joe wants to put up with a slew of pop-up ads with every he sends, his costs get externalized to all the other email users.

	19-08-2003 19:56									#27
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because joehasproducts2sell is a f@$#ing spammer, and should be tarred, feathered, and hanged.

	19-08-2003 20:19									#28
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I see no problem with a two-cent-per-letter unsolicited e-mail tax. There would probably be clever ways around it, like joining mailing lists dedicated to other purposes and spamming them, but that's less ridiculous than paying like a dollar to pester a few thousand people you never met and who probably aren't interested in your product. Make it at least a little more difficult for them. Two cents per addressee would force the mass-mailing services to be selective about who they pestered if they wanted to keep profiting. Then we would only have to worry about forcing the spammers to overseas servers, in which case we modify our filters to block all foreign servers not on our lists. That would work fine for me.

	19-08-2003 20:28									#29
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I have an even better idea. let limit the number of people that you can send an e-mail to at any one message, to, say, 10.

	19-08-2003 20:34									#30
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I think the law should turn a blind eye to those that decide to "retaliate". Hack into a spammers computer or network, and fdisk them back to the 70's.