19-08-2003 03:40									#1
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My work recently hired, yet another, new secretary. Normally this isn't something I'd bat an eyelash at considering how the manager seems to have a penash for hiring grey haired old women, but, the new girl most certainly is not a grey haired old woman. In fact the new secretary (We'll call her Jean because... that's her name. ) is a down right hottie. She's 22 years old, 5'9" tall, weights in at about 115-120lbs (I'm estimating), a runner's physique, a magnificent rack, blue eyes & light brown hair. Throw on her good taste in designer clothes and you'll quickly see why every guy in the office is drooling.

I must admit I don't know anything about Jean (she could have a boyfriend for all I know; heck a girl like her probably does have a boyfriend) and I don't normally work with the office staff so it looks like I won't be learning anything soon. Still, what is your take on office romance? Is it a no-no or does the office register as a prime date getting zone for you? Also what sort of stuff is allowable and when does it cross the line into sexual harassment? I'm not planning on harassing anyone I just want to make sure I don't run a foul of the law unintentionally.

	19-08-2003 03:45									#2
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One has to be extremely careful in the workplace.
If you're in an office environment, especially, I'd look elsewhere.

	19-08-2003 03:45									#3
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Avoid humping her desk or sniffing her chair and you should be fine and harrasment free.

	19-08-2003 03:53									#4
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also the yawn, reach and grab thing is probably a bad idea

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	19-08-2003 03:56									#5
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Bend over your desk, and when she looks at your butt, sue her for everything she has.

	19-08-2003 04:06									#6
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Office is a really bad place to date, particularly with osmeone like that, for ya may end up competing with ya boss, which would suck.

	19-08-2003 04:13									#7
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It's not harassment if she likes you...but if you're a tech nerd or something, I wouldn't even look at her for fear of being outed as a stalker creep weirdo.

	19-08-2003 04:15									#8
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SuperSneak, Asia Carrera is a super nerd who built his own little network.. just look at her site man.. it's all about programming these days.. chicks love it.

	19-08-2003 04:21									#9
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Asia Carrera? Isn't she a porn star?

Super Sneak: I'm not a tech nerd I'm a rock nerd. I'm not sure were we Geologists rank in the international pecking order of manly jobs but I'm sure we're not very high.

	19-08-2003 04:21									#10
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if you value your job I say don't do it.

But if you don't care if you get fired then go right ahead.

	19-08-2003 04:23									#11
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Oerdin, yes, she is. And she loves puters. Living proof that the hottest chicks loves techie stuff. And they love nerds.

	19-08-2003 04:24									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident if you value your job I say don't do it. But if you don't care if you get fired then go right ahead.

When you put it that way it sounds like I really shouldn't do it.

	19-08-2003 04:27									#13
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Hostile work environment sexual harrasment must be severe & pervasive and actually interfere with the person's work (I know I've left out a few elements of the offense). So as long as you don't follow her around and make sexually degrading comments constantly, you should be fine .

Basically, don't be a jerk and you won't get hit with it.

	19-08-2003 04:29									#14
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that's true, I didn't think of that.

If you only hit on her once, you should be okay. Because you're allowed that warning I think. Long as it isn't a continued pattern of harrassment it isn't a problem.

The only risk is if she's a psycho hose beast. Say you date her for a while, then you dump her. She could go psycho and say you sexually harrassed her until she finally went out with you.

	19-08-2003 04:29									#15
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Working in the same office as your partner sucks.
Definately not.

Find somewhere else to pickup.

	19-08-2003 04:32									#16
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quote: If you only hit on her once, you should be okay.

It depends on how bad the one time was . If you whip out your penis, I'm sure you'll be fired faster than you can say "I was just kidding" .

But usually, one time is not nearly enough to be guilty of sexual harrasment (it has to be continous).

	19-08-2003 04:33									#17
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That's not a concern where I work. I work a primarily male profession, and we don't have many women. I did ask one of our dispatchers out once. But I probably shouldn't have- that may have been risky. Well she turned me down anyways- I totally misread the signs she was giving me. All the women where I work aren't very attractive anyways, even the one I asked out. Although there is one girl who I find incredibly hot. I heard she was married, but she never wears her wedding ring- possibly because it might interfere with her work, but I don't see how.

	19-08-2003 04:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: If you only hit on her once, you should be okay. It depends on how bad the one time was . If you whip out your penis, I'm sure you'll be fired faster than you can say "I was just kidding" . But usually, one time is not nearly enough to be guilty of sexual harrasment (it has to be continous).

do you normally whip out your penis when asking women out?

I'm sure it would be okay to ask her if you wanted to grab a bite to eat after work.

	19-08-2003 04:44									#19
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Some workplaces can handle office romance better than others. I work at a hospital, and this place is pretty good about facilitating dating. It's only against the rules for someone to date their subordinate. As there are numerous departments and units this means that there are a lot of people to date besides those who work for you, or even immediately around you. In addition, there are three shifts for people to spread themselves between, which means that if something goes wrong with the cutie from 2N on the midnight shift, you can always avoid her by transferring to the evening shift. Plus this place is big, we have over 2000 employees and three campuses and several smaller facilities as well. About 70% of our employees are women, which is great for those who are attracted to women of course.

I've dated several women in the years I've been here, and over half of the time they've asked me out. One woman who I asked out has worked out very well for me though, and we're still together after 6 years.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident do you normally whip out your penis when asking women out?

I now realize what I've been doing wrong for all these years.

	19-08-2003 04:53									#21
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Maybe find out what kind of person she is first.

	19-08-2003 05:11									#22
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quote: do you normally whip out your penis when asking women out?

Depends on the girl .

	19-08-2003 05:22									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident do you normally whip out your penis when asking women out? I'm sure it would be okay to ask her if you wanted to grab a bite to eat after work.

Am i the only detecting something odd about those two sentences placed next to each other? What "bite" do you want her to grab here?

	19-08-2003 07:47									#24
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maggot. You posted the same damn thread at two places. I'm going to hunt you down. I know you work for Sverdlap

	19-08-2003 09:26									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Hostile work environment sexual harrasment must be severe & pervasive . . .

that's "severe OR pervasive"


You have to consider two things:

First, harassment. Harassment is in the reasonable mind of the harassee. You might not think you're harassing her. But if she thinks you are...and she's being reasonable...then you're in big trouble. The good news is...harassment has to be unwanted. So if she's okay with it, you're probably in the clear.

Second: wisdom. My motto is "don't get your honey where you get your money." Let's say, you two start dating. You fall madly in love. Then, she dumps you like yesterday's garbage and starts dating some other guy where you work. Everytime you see them together, you want to die, or maybe kill them. Not a good situation.

What you should do in the situation you're in is to get her phone number and pass it along to me. I'll be happy to take her off your hands for you.l

	19-08-2003 09:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Oerdin, yes, she is. And she loves puters. Living proof that the hottest chicks loves techie stuff. And they love nerds.

And I love her "puter". Especially when there is a huge **** going right up her puter.

	19-08-2003 09:32									#27
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As Chris Rock explains, the conditions for sexual harassment depends on how good-looking you are....

Call up some old girlfriends and ask for an honest opinion first. If you don't have any old girlfriends, you might want to consult your lawyer before approaching this woman...

As for whether or not office romances are a good idea, I can certainly say that dorm romances are not a good idea... and that's about the same level of interaction... I mean, never mind if things go wrong, it still can get complicated even if things are working out. But I've never had a relationship with anyone I've worked with especially since my only two jobs were in a gas station and working in a factory with a bunch of Jamaicans.

	19-08-2003 09:34									#28
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ask her out. Quit hinting around. Just walk right out and ask her out for dinner, this friday. Take her to George's at the Cove.

	19-08-2003 09:43									#29
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I'd love to but I moved to Sacramento 5 months ago.

	19-08-2003 09:50									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I'd love to but I moved to Sacramento 5 months ago.

Take her to DAvis. I used to cruise the bars there as a young LT stationed in Vallejo. Go to Mr. B's and go dancing.