23-08-2003 05:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Let's review your two posts Paiktis: Followed by: So was it a house demolition or was it the result of Israel killing terrorist leaders?

That's a question you should ask yourself Oerdin. Is that terrorist leaders being killed or palestinian families having their houses destroyed? And if that was the latter then why was it done? What purpose did it serve? I'm sure you can find the answer it's not that hard in a conflict where everyone's fighting for territory...

	23-08-2003 05:03									#32
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What purpose did killing 20 Israeli civilians server?

	23-08-2003 05:05									#33
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I'm sure you can figure that out as well.

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Paiktis, answer this question, if no other: Who do you think broke the ceasefire?

I'm not being rhetorical.

	23-08-2003 05:06									#35
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I support "erradication" of terrorist vermin. They have no interest in peace, in a Palestinian state side-by-side with Israel, and no interest in abiding by the laws of war.

What I do not understand is why Israel never removes Arafat. I can only think that Washington is the problem.

I personally can never understand why Washington never sides with Israel when it comes to its justified self-defense in the face of barbarism. Washington is part of the reason why the ME situation never gets solved.

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skywalker,
Why don't you answer my question first?

edit: I'm not being rhetorical either nor do I do shophistries. Nor am I "pro palestinian" or "pro israeli" or close my eyes to the terrorist attacks. Just highlighting some other aspects of the story as well, seing we have enough people advocating the opposite side.

	23-08-2003 05:08									#37
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Because the Washington is the capitol. If the capitol was, say, NYC, it would be NYC that never sided with Israel :P

EDIT: re Ned

	23-08-2003 05:09									#38
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 skywalker, Why don't you answer my question first?

Because you asked Oerdin, not me

How should I know the answer? All you have is a picture of a house being demolished, with a sad girl standing in front of it. It could be from Chicago, for all I know.

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Because you asked Oerdin, not me How should I know the answer? All you have is a picture of a house being demolished, with a sad girl standing in front of it. It could be from Chicago, for all I know.

LOL, so you don't know or want to believe that Israel systematically engages in demolitions of palestinian residences?

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Know, I said that the PICTURE ITSELF provides no useful information.

There. I answered yours, you answer mine.

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This is not an answer. The question is: why Israel systematically demolishes palestinian residences. What possible good can come out of this? For what reason are they doing it? Under what justification (or pretext) and what are the ramifications of even more deprivation for the more and more families that have to move out?

	23-08-2003 05:16									#42
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Since I know little about this, I'd guess Israel is demolishing homes of people they're deporting or whatever sending them to Palestine's called.

In short, I don't know because I don't have enough information.

Answer the question...

	23-08-2003 05:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 This is not an answer. The question is: why Israel systematically demolishes palestinian residences. What possible good can come out of this? For what reason are they doing it?

They do it for two reasons:

They do it as punishment to suicide bombers, so that future suicide bombers will be disuaded - and in a t least two or three cases, Palestinians planning to do suicide bombers turned themselves in to Israeli authorities and didn't go through with an attack to murder civilians.

They also do it to buildings where terrorists have used as bombmaking labarotories, have weapon supplies and have tunnels from egypt from which weapons get smuggled in.

Whether or not these are justified, they certainly aren't done for no reason.

quote: Under what justification (or pretext) and what are the ramifications of even more deprivation for the more and more families that have to move out?

The families of the suicide bombers still get blood money from the Saudis (if not Saddam, anymore). They won't be "deprived" for long.

	23-08-2003 05:21									#44
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Since I know little about this, I'd guess Israel is demolishing homes of people they're deporting or whatever sending them to Palestine's called.

This is an answer. Wrong but an answer.

quote: In short, I don't know because I don't have enough information

It wouldn't hurt to find out

quote: Answer the question...

Sure. 20 Israelis died because of the occupation of the Palestinians, their deprivation and terror inflicted on them by Israel.

They also died because of the fanatism of the large portion of desperate and thus extremists that exist in the Palestinian population. When one has nothing to lose...

They also died in order for the terrorist masterminds to come closer to their goals. Those vary between terrorist cells.

	23-08-2003 05:22									#45
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Sure. 20 Israelis died because of the occupation of the Palestinians, their deprivation and terror inflicted on them by Israel. They also died because of the fanatism of the large portion of desperate and thus extremists that exist in the Palestinian population. When one has nothing to lose... They also died in order for the terrorist masterminds to come closer to their goals. Those vary between terrorist cells.

So you condone it? Anyway, not the question I was talking about.

I didn't ask why they died. I asked when you think the ceasefire was broken (which event, the bombing or the assassination)?

	23-08-2003 05:24									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Edan They do it for two reasons: They do it as punishment to suicide bombers, so that future suicide bombers will be disuaded -

Nazi Germany executed civilians to try and desuade guerilla fighting. This is not a good reason Edan.

quote: They also do it to buildings where terrorists have used as bombmaking labarotories, have weapon supplies and have tunnels from egypt from which weapons get smuggled in.

Together with large settlements of Palestinian residences which have simply kids and families living in them and are not welcomed by Israel. Covering this under the "terrorist labs" pretext which of course does not hold water.

	23-08-2003 05:26									#47
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Avoiding the question...

(I find this little dance paiktis is doing quite amusing )

	23-08-2003 05:27									#48
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker So you condone it?

You asked why it was happening not what I think of it.

quote: Anyway, not the question I was talking about.

Actually your first question was "Why 20 Israeli civilians died"

quote: I didn't ask why they died. I asked when you think the ceasefire was broken (which event, the bombing or the assassination)?

You will have to provide me a list with all IDF operations after the agrement on the cease fire as well as independent terrorist activities.

	23-08-2003 05:27									#49
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In Texas, we call this a "Mexican Stand-Off".

Is is true that the Palestinian's stole a 2nd set of tablets that Moses brought down from the mount ?

	23-08-2003 05:28									#50
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Nazi Germany executed civilians to try and desuade guerilla fighting. This is not a good reason Edan.

And Israel has started executing civilians?

quote: Together with large settlements of Palestinian residences which have simply kids and families living in them and are not welcomed by Israel. Covering this under the "terrorist labs" pretext which of course does not hold water.

Yes, because there are no bombmaking labs. The bombs just appear out of nowhere.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 You will have to provide me a list with all IDF operations after the agrement on the cease fire as well as independent terrorist activities.

Oooh, more avoidance! Though I must admit it is close to my "I don't know" answer...

How about I rephrase it: "Assuming nothing happened between the start of the ceasefire and the bus bombing, which even ended the ceasefire, the bus bombing or the assassination."

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Avoiding the question... (I find this little dance paiktis is doing quite amusing )

Not giving you the answer you want to hear is not the same as "not answering".

Actually you just admitted that you have little knowledge of what exactly goes on in the territories under occupation.

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No, you hadn't answered the question (the ceasefire question).

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quote: Originally posted by Edan And Israel has started executing civilians?

2.000 Palestinians just happened to die of natural causes the last 12 months?

quote: Yes, because there are no bombmaking labs. The bombs just appear out of nowhere.

Is that why the IDF is just demolishing whatever is in front of it?

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Answer the question...

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker No, you hadn't answered the question (the ceasefire question).

You haven't provided me with sufficient information thus I simply can't answer it. What were the IDF operations after the agreement?


BAre in mind that giving you an answer that will satisfy you does not constitute "answering the question".

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quote: How about I rephrase it: "Assuming nothing happened between the start of the ceasefire and the bus bombing, which even ended the ceasefire, the bus bombing or the assassination."

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand In Texas, we call this a "Mexican Stand-Off". Is is true that the Palestinian's stole a 2nd set of tablets that Moses brought down from the mount ?

Oops. My mistake. HAS to be Urban Myth.
Palestinian's weren't around then.

Wait a second. How can this be?
What is the basis of the Palestinian's complaint?

	23-08-2003 05:38									#59
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Your rephrasing voids your question. The whole point is whether something happened or not.

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No, it doesn't. It's a lot easier to establish the answer to the (modified) question, so do it first. If it turns out the assumption of the question is untrue, scrap it. However, that's rather difficult to find out.