23-08-2003 08:24									#1
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Hack, good writer, fun writer?

Fascist? Patriot? Same thing?

I like his early stuff. But not the later stuff where he got all sexy. And I don't like that he was a 30s socialist. But I like the school he went to...

	23-08-2003 08:32									#2
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Fun writer. Fascist.

	23-08-2003 08:33									#3
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If he's fascist, explaing Stranger in a Strange Land.

	23-08-2003 08:33									#4
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Fun writer. Fascist.

ok. fair enouigh. But at least he could write. None of this NEVERENDING CRAPIAD VOLUME XXII stuff.

	23-08-2003 08:35									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Firelad If he's fascist, explaing Stranger in a Strange Land.

I didn't like that one...

	23-08-2003 08:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by TCO I didn't like that one...

Heretic!

	23-08-2003 08:44									#7
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I'll call him a facist just to piss off firelad.

	23-08-2003 09:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Firelad If he's fascist, explaing Stranger in a Strange Land.

If he wasn't fascist, explain Starship Troopers.

	23-08-2003 09:29									#9
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He wasn't a Fascist. It's kinda silly to say he was after reading "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

	23-08-2003 09:32									#10
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk If he wasn't fascist, explain Starship Troopers.

Go Navy, beat slugs! He was an anti-communist.

	23-08-2003 09:35									#11
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Shhh, I'm trolling...

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Shhh, I'm trolling...

What is "trolling"?

	23-08-2003 09:41									#13
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OGGP.

	23-08-2003 09:42									#14
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NPOH

	23-08-2003 10:23									#15
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I liked the eralier stuff also

Jon Miller

	23-08-2003 10:27									#16
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I once read an article by him about a trip he and his wife took to Moscow back in the 1960's/70's. Judging by transportation, housing, and just the number of people on the streets he and his wife concluded that there was no way in hell Moscow supported the then-official population estimate of 8,000,000... iirc, he was saying it was 1.5 million, tops. Does anybody remember this article and does anybody know if he was onto (or on) something?

	23-08-2003 11:07									#17
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Wasn't he the one who made a bet with Ron L. Hubbard whether or not he could start a religion?

	23-08-2003 11:21									#18
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I think that was Asimov, not Heinlein.

	23-08-2003 12:31									#19
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No, it was Heinlein.

Stranger In A Strange Land reflects on this in some parts.

	23-08-2003 14:53									#20
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quote: Originally posted by TCO Go Navy, beat slugs! He was an anti-communist.

Yeah, that's what he said : he was a fascist.

	23-08-2003 15:23									#21
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Serious question: I'm willing to accept that Heinlein was a fascist, seeing as the only book of his I've read is Starship Troopers, but based on that book alone how do you people reach the conclusion that he's a fascist?

	23-08-2003 15:27									#22
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Heinlein is a decent writer, but Asimov is in his own league - just his creation of robots would do it alone.

	23-08-2003 16:44									#23
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I actually prefer Heinlein. Asimov had good ideas and decent plots, but his writing and dialogue was sloppy most of the time, to say the least.
I've read Starship Troopers and yea, the book sounds quite fascist. Maybe he had a dual personality? Anyway, I've read interpretations of the book that make it less weird (in comparison with his other books that is) but it was kinda forced and I don't remember it anyway.

	23-08-2003 17:42									#24
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He was pissed off when he wrote the book and wanted to jam it up the ass of those who were peaceniks with the Soviets. He was against the nuclear test ban treaty which Eisenhower signed (or some executive action of such.) He wanted to look the commies in the eye and beat em with a stick. Just like REagan. That's what worked. Not the wimpy accomdation crap or Carter and the like.

	23-08-2003 17:46									#25
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But Troopers can be a bit hard to take for some...

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After reading Starship Troopers, I was seriously considering demanding that anyone who volunteers for the military have their right to vote taken from them.:P

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Careful about critizing Heinlein. Lazarus Long and Andy Libby could be lurking.

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J. Michael Stracynski is still better than all of 'em put together (he's the guy who originally created "Babylon 5").

	24-08-2003 06:06									#29
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Heinlein must ahve been on something to think that moscow held only 1.5 million people. If antying, one is most likely to undercount urban dwellers, not make 6.5 million up. (of course, did heinlein know the city limits by which that number was established?)

	24-08-2003 08:25									#30
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1.5 million? Considering that it's now a city of at least 13 million (and many others uncounted), I agree with GePap.

Re Heinlein, I like some of his work.