26-08-2003 18:06									#1
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http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=1934

Interesting.

	26-08-2003 18:10									#2
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Yes, it is.

-Arrian

	26-08-2003 18:10									#3
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Summary for the lazy!

	26-08-2003 18:12									#4
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Quick summary:

Poll results show that people in the 3rd world actually have a rather positive view of multination corporations & "globalization," and most of the opposition is in the developed West.

-Arrian

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Thanks.

I read the article anyway though.

	26-08-2003 18:20									#6
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Multinationals pay. Protesters don't. I'd prefer a paycheck too.

	26-08-2003 18:21									#7
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By the way, I'm not at all surprised at this.

	26-08-2003 18:23									#8
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Well of course they do! Theyre offering employment and the ability to keep exploding populations (not literally, although....) alive.

Work in near-slavery conditions, or you and your family die? Tough one.

	26-08-2003 18:57									#9
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Have the chance to make the climb out of agricultural servitude ala the US and Western Europe circa 1750-1950, or you and your family die? Tough one.

One has to wonder at the motives of people who protest for other people who aren't so bothered as to organize massive protests themselves.

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--"Work in near-slavery conditions, or you and your family die? Tough one."

Lame troll. Philip Morris, Mars, TeliaSonera, Marzotto, etc. are and have been from the roots of our independence the best employers in this country, both in terms of pay, conditions, benefits, general atmosphere etc.

	26-08-2003 21:06									#11
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Have the chance to make the climb out of agricultural servitude ala the US and Western Europe circa 1750-1950, or you and your family die? Tough one.

But remember, everyone has to have their turn in the fields, so that they don't think they're above the proletariat.

quote: One has to wonder at the motives of people who protest for other people who aren't so bothered as to organize massive protests themselves.

It's because those poor people are too ignorant and oppressed, and afraid to speak their minds for fear of right wing death squads to keep them in line. Since they can't be enlightened, we have to do it for them.

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Oh, yeah. I forgot.

Makes one wonders how the oppressed and benighted peoples of W. Europe crawled from the muck. Who protested for us?

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We're white people. We had it naturally easy, plus we climbed out of the muck on the backs of those er, um... muckier toned people.

	26-08-2003 23:46									#14
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Who protested for us?

We did.

Anyway, I'm not at all surprised by this poll, considering how biased it was. The mainstream view of the "anti-globalization" protestors is that they are opposed to economic development of the 3rd World, that it's only Westerners protesting, etc.

Truth: the movement is internationalist, with substantial contacts in the 3rd world, and derives much of its leadership from the 3rd World.

Truth: the movement wants development in the 3rd world, but with labor and environmental protections, so that they can enjoy the fruits of their development, so that they don't have to live in ****-holes like the Maquiladoras in Mexico or worry about their bosses hiring death squads when they try and organize, like in Columbia.

Truth: the "anti-globalization" protests have been far larger in the 3rd World than in the 1st.

Truth: this is just another protest-bashing piece with no real substance.

	26-08-2003 23:52									#15
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Truth: che has yet to back up any of his "Truths"

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Truth: che has yet to back up any of his "Truths"

I'm working, not playing while at school. Anyway, I don't care enough about this place anymore to make an effort to prove anything to conservatives.

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I think it's funny how JohnT points to how Western civilization crawled out of "servitude", and then yet bashes the very people who led such efforts... i.e. progressives and organized labor unions...

	26-08-2003 23:58									#18
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm working, not playing while at school. Anyway, I don't care enough about this place anymore to make an effort to prove anything to conservatives.

Isn't that what Fez said, regarding liberals?

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Truth: the movement is internationalist, with substantial contacts in the 3rd world, and derives much of its leadership from the 3rd World.

So how come all the people you see running amok at G8 meetings and striking blows against oppression by looting a Starbucks are disctinctly white and American or European looking?

quote: Truth: the movement wants development in the 3rd world, but with labor and environmental protections, so that they can enjoy the fruits of their development, so that they don't have to live in ****-holes like the Maquiladoras in Mexico or worry about their bosses hiring death squads when they try and organize, like in Columbia.

Uh, you don't live in maquiladoras, you work there. Maybe one of these days I ought to drive around and take photos of some of these local hellholes, too.

And yeah, you'd better not try to organize anything in FARC territory in Colombia that the FARC doesn't approve of.

quote: Truth: the "anti-globalization" protests have been far larger in the 3rd World than in the 1st.

Where?

	27-08-2003 00:12									#20
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I don't think these MNC's are as evil as these people say... and most of these protestors are nutbags, but their arguments are quite valid. It's a shame they have to act like dipshits and hurt their own cause.

But if all these foreign peoples are being exploited and treated like slaves, then they should strike and refuse to work... start a labor movement like the US did in the early 20th century. It's just like Democracy... labor reform has to come from the people. And it might be hard for many to realize, but it's the peoples' own damn fault if they allow themselves to be slaves. I'm not going to blame some faceless company for using cheaper labor. If they were forced to use domestic labor, prices would be so much higher that people would be *****ing about high prices. And since Americans aren't willing enough to pay higher prices for their goods, in the end, the consumer is the one to blame.

	27-08-2003 00:13									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat So how come all the people you see running amok at G8 meetings and striking blows against oppression by looting a Starbucks are disctinctly white and American or European looking?

Because they won't let poor people come in case they try to stay.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Because they won't let poor people come in case they try to stay.

	27-08-2003 00:26									#23
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David Dollar?

Well overall economic integration is the way forward. But one shouldn't forget some of the problems: Oppression of workers by collusion between companies and governments, western protectionism and agriculture subsidies, expansion of crony capitalism and corruption, brain****ed IMF boys running amok...

But those are problems that are not caused by free markets, but by lack thereof.

	27-08-2003 00:30									#24
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Well, the guy has the name for the job.

Just admit it, you're one of the bourgeois oppressors.

	27-08-2003 00:33									#25
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Of course we are going to protest! I don't want MY job to migrate to some shitholes thousands of miles away!

Besides, if we don't protest, you third-worlders are gonna suffer the same fate as our ancestors around ca 1850.

	27-08-2003 00:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Isn't that what Fez said, regarding liberals?

Oh my god, I think you're right.

	27-08-2003 00:36									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Just admit it, you're one of the bourgeois oppressors.

Yes, but the enemy of my enemy... so let's burn the IMF.

	27-08-2003 00:37									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless Besides, if we don't protest, you third-worlders are gonna suffer the same fate as our ancestors around ca 1850.

So?

	27-08-2003 00:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Yes, but the enemy of my enemy... so let's burn the IMF.

Yeah! BBQ!

	27-08-2003 00:43									#30
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Hold it right there! IMF may assign morons to LatAm but here the mission was the only obstacle for loose spending Lithuanian governments and corrupt Central Bank governors in their quest to derail our economy.

IMF!