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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
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Poland Iraq attacked the USSR Kuwait in 1919 1991, and in 1939 2003 the USSR was merely reclaiming what they had lost to PolandSaddam in 19201991. |
How does that change the fact that it was an aggressive and unprovoked war? |
EDIT: (Something to say) DD has seen the light!
Last edited by Whaleboy on 29-08-2003 at 01:31
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Comrade Tassadar
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Ya know, I just got this really strange list and I have no idea what its about. Can any of the more knowledgeable people on the board please explain it to me?  
Nicaragua, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Iran, Yugoslavia, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama, Honduras, China, Sudan, Libya, Venezuela, Indonesia, Chile, Soviet Union, Greece, Phillipines, Albania (Unsuccessful), East Germany, Syria (Unsuccessful), DR Congo, Brazil, East Timor, El Salvador, Haiti.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Originally posted by JCG
Aren't the WMDs supposed to be in Lebanon now, according to the latest rumor? |
Syria, actually.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by Defiant
Are you kidding me? AFGHANISTAN, POLAND, CZECH, HELL THE WHOLE BALKANS, UKRAINE.
Did you ever hear the term satellite nations, you should USSR invented it. The US doesn't even hold a candle to past Russian wars of aggression.
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Afghanistan- Che already explained this.
Poland, CZECH, HELL (when the hel we did invaded hell?), THE WHOLE BALKANS (what whole Balkans?)- we were fighting against nazi, while you were seating on your well exercised as$. What the hell do you suggest, that Soviets should've stop on their former frontier and let nazis to recover?
UKRAINE- free willingly joined Russia in 1654, not to mention that we were one state 1000 years ago.
Now compare it with Tass list of America's agressions.
Last edited by Serb on 29-08-2003 at 11:52
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Liar. |
BAM.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Serb: I've noticed many republicans on the board still have not addressed my list....
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Comrade Tassadar
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No: Links. Silly Oerdin 
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects.../indo101001.htm
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The Invasion of East Timor
In December 1975, Indonesia invaded the new nation of East Timor, which had just declared itself independent from Portuguese colonizers. Within five years, more than 200,000 people, one-third of the pre-invasion population, had been killed, leading Noam Chomsky to term it "the worst slaughter relative to population since the Holocaust."[2] The invasion took place just hours after U.S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger visited General Suharto in the Indonesian capital of Jakarta. While the international community protested, the U.S. government doubled military aid to Indonesia and prevented the United Nations from taking effective action against Suharto.[3]
In 1977, reacting to public pressure, Congress held hearings to investigate the U.S. role in Indonesia’s military action against its tiny neighbor. The House International Relations Committee revealed that several major U.S. weapons systems sold to Jakarta during this period-- including sixteen Rockwell OV-10 "Bronco" counter-insurgency aircraft, three Lockheed Martin C-130 transport aircraft and thirty-six Cadillac-Gage V-150 "Commando" armored cars-- were used against East Timor. Other U.S. weapons linked to the occupation, and referenced during the hearing, included: S-61 helicopters, patrol craft, M-16 rifles, pistols, mortars, machine guns, recoilless rifles, ammunition, and communications equipment.[4]
From 1975 through East Timor’s referendum for independence in 1999, the United States continued its military support, transferring over a billion dollars worth of weaponry. Everything from F-16 fighter planes to military helicopters to M-16 combat rifles was used in the suppression of dissent in East Timor and throughout Indonesia. These weapons were viewed as key to maintaining good relationships with Washington’s strategic ally. The State Department and White House portrayed Indonesia as a bulwark against communism, a source of cheap labor and cheap resources, and a market for U.S. goods. One State Department official summed up the relationship by saying, "the United States wants to keep its relations with Indonesia close and friendly. It is a nation we do a lot of business with."[5] Indeed, the president of Coca-Cola went so far as to exclaim, "When I think of Indonesia-- a country on the equator with 180 million people, a median age of 18 and a Muslim ban on alcohol-- I feel like I know what heaven looks like."[6]
While this relationship was heaven for Coca-Cola executives, it was closer to hell for the Indonesian people. Human rights violations such as arbitrary arrests, extrajudicial killings, torture, as well as restrictions on freedoms of speech, press, assembly, and association were the norm. By way of endorsement, U.S. weapons, military training and support flowed in.
The Indonesian military still bristles with U.S. origin weapons and benefits from U.S. military training. The United States transferred $328 million in weapons and spare parts and almost $100 million in commercial weapons exports to the Jakarta regime in the last decade.[7] Military training has also been significant during this period-- the Defense Department allocated more than $7.5 million in International Military Education and Training program (IMET) funding for Indonesian soldiers. Soldiers armed with U.S. weapons and training went on to maim, kill and torture.[8]
Indeed, Washington has been forced to break off military relations with Jakarta because of the military’s abuse of power, violations of human rights, massacres, and extrajudicial killings. In 1991, military ties were suspended following the Santa Cruz Massacre in which Indonesian security officers fired into a peaceful crowd of protestors, killing 271 people. The relationship was partially restored in 1995, only to be severed again after the brutal military and militia response to the 1999 Timorese referendum for independence. See pages 4-5 for an in-depth look at how military aid was curbed step by step. |
http://www.etan.org/news/2001a/10wpi.htm which refrences to the above.
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Major Findings:
The legacy of U.S. support for the 32-year dictatorship of General Suharto, which included over a billion dollars worth of U.S. weaponry, cannot be ignored. F-16 fighter planes, attack helicopters, M-16 combat rifles and other U.S. origin weapons were used in the suppression of dissent in East Timor and throughout Indonesia.
The Indonesian military still bristles with U.S. origin weapons and benefits from U.S. military training. In the last ten years, the Pentagon exported $328 million in weapons and spare parts to Jakarta.
During the same ten-year period, military training has also been significant -- the Pentagon has spent more than $7.5 million on military training for Indonesian soldiers through the International Military Education and Training program (IMET). The Bush administration's budget request for FY2002 includes $400,000 for IMET training; twice the level that was set aside for FY2001.
While the newly independent nation of East Timor is on the road to recovery, human rights abuses are still rampant in the provinces of Aceh and Irian Jaya and are supported by U.S. weapons and military training. These mineral-rich provinces have legitimate grievances against the central government and share a history marked by colonization and exploitation. Jakarta has responded to calls for autonomy with brutal repression.
U.S. corporations-particularly Exxon Mobil in Aceh and Freeport McMoRan in Irian Jaya-have developed synergistic relations with the Indonesian military. Monies paid to the military to protect the corporation's investments in the war torn provinces are funneled into military operations. Thus the military has strong incentives for prolonging and exacerbating conflict in Aceh and Irian Jaya. |
http://www.indonesianetwork.org/sta.../us_weapons.htm
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Similar terror tactics, along with U.S. weapons, were used in the subjugation of the East Timorese people during Indonesia¹s 24-year occupation of that former Portuguese territory. The U.S. cut off all arms sales to Indonesia in 1999, after the TNI and its militia proxies razed East Timor and drove hundreds of thousands of civilians from their homes following the country¹s vote for independence from Indonesia. |
http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/...?documentID=682
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The United States has long supported Indonesia's military and political regimes. In fact, the U.S. has been a major arms supplier to Indonesia for several decades. According to data compiled by the World Policy Institute, the U.S. government has approved over $1 billion in U.S. arm sales to Indonesia since 1975, the year Indonesia illegally occupied East Timor. U.S. weapon sales to Indonesia range from the small and insidious M-16 to as large and powerful as F-16 fighter aircraft. |
http://www.motherjones.com/east_tim...ures/usaid.html
http://www.clw.org/atop/restrictions_ddi092101.html
http://www.jointhebushwhackers.com/...siaOutrrage.pdf Great source, dont you think? 
http://www.fair.org/activism/east-timor-context.html
http://web.amnesty.org/web%5Cweb.ns...pages/ttt3_arms
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/indonesia.htm
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/1999...r209091999.html
http://www.amnestyusa.org/rightsforall/arms.html
I'm tired of finding links now. You can do it on your own if you want more.
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