29-08-2003 22:28									#91
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Paiktis truely deserves it... so if you give him a slide, I'll nail him He was the primary offender, and his comment was way over the line...

	29-08-2003 22:32									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Thanks for the support, che. Hell, I know I deserve it though. Do with me as you will.

Sounds like you got your mind right. Keep it that way, and you can stay out of the box.

	29-08-2003 22:34									#93
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*remember to do your paperwork MtG

Now back on topic everybody...

	29-08-2003 22:36									#94
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Che's chief ambition in life is to become well known as a Godless Atheistical Commie. That's why he chose his internet name.
Anyway, my film teacher introduced the film to us with the words, "Studying Birth of a Nation is a lot like studying Hitler; it's not pretty, but you have to do it if you want a full appreciation of a subject." And it's a little bit too crazy to be taken seriously, so I had no real problem watching it. If somebody actually thought I believed that black people controlled the old south and used most of that authority to get it on with white women, I would be insulted that they thought so little of my intelligence far more than I would be mortified by any negative perceptions of my morals.

EDIT: In the interest of not getting my butt whooped by already-edgy mods, I would like to stress that I am only ribbing Che. Don't take it seriously. Thank you.

	29-08-2003 22:38									#95
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quote: Sounds like you got your mind right. Keep it that way, and you can stay out of the box.

Just tell me what to think, boss.

	29-08-2003 22:44									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Che's chief ambition in life is to become well known as a Godless Atheistical Commie. That's why he chose his internet name. EDIT: In the interest of not getting my butt whooped by already-edgy mods, I would like to stress that I am only ribbing Che. Don't take it seriously. Thank you.

He don't know me very well, do he?

	29-08-2003 22:55									#97
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It was quite amusing watching the KKK run around with plungers on their heads.

	29-08-2003 23:26									#98
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I don't think serious, intelligent convesation is possible anymore in this thread.


sigh

	29-08-2003 23:33									#99
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Not with contributions like that.

	29-08-2003 23:37									#100
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I know -- tragic, isn't it?

	29-08-2003 23:46									#101
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I'm sorry. Please don't let our lowbrow discussions keep you from enjoying all the enlightened innuendo about Korean cheerleaders and Pennsylvanian women who ask their kids to spank them. I know you have high expectations of the OT.

	29-08-2003 23:54									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Elok I'm sorry. Please don't let our lowbrow discussions keep you from enjoying all the enlightened innuendo about Korean cheerleaders and Pennsylvanian women who ask their kids to spank them. I know you have high expectations of the OT.

	30-08-2003 01:25									#103
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I have not seen the film and was taught history of this period in the '50s. The history I was taught is consistent with this film. The KKK was formed to resist Reconstruction, Republicans and to keep blacks in their place. The were the terrorist wing of the Souther Democrat Party.

It was also my understanding that every freed slave did receive 40 acres and a mule.

As to attitudes about blacks in general, the United States of today is remarkably different from the United States from my youth. Remember that even in the military, blacks were segregated. The world began to change for American with Brown v. Board of Education.

	30-08-2003 02:29									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I . . . was taught history of this period in the '50s.

I didn't know you're an older gentlemen, Neddie.

So this just goes to sho that revisionist history isn't necessarily a bad thing. The old history was factually incorrect, so it was revised.

	30-08-2003 02:40									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I have not seen the film and was taught history of this period in the '50s. The history I was taught is consistent with this film. The KKK was formed to resist Reconstruction, Republicans and to keep blacks in their place. The were the terrorist wing of the Souther Democrat Party. It was also my understanding that every freed slave did receive 40 acres and a mule. As to attitudes about blacks in general, the United States of today is remarkably different from the United States from my youth. Remember that even in the military, blacks were segregated. The world began to change for American with Brown v. Board of Education.

Very few blacks in fact, received any form of land compensation. There were some plantations and other areas where this was the exception, but even those blacks held title to the land only temporarily.

	30-08-2003 02:52									#106
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If every slave actually got forty acres, bearing in mind how many slaves there were...well, the government would have to give up about three states' worth of land at the very least. I don't think the average southern plantation was much more than forty acres, and each one of those had dozens of slaves working it. Not to mention small household slaves. The land couldn't have been given.

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But keep in mind that there were a few areas where land compensation was implemented -- but in the end, the land was retaken, or possessed by the state governments as new public lands to resell.

	30-08-2003 03:39									#108
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand How odd it must be for a person in Maryland, since Maryland was officially neutral, and right there.

Are you kidding? Maryland was made to be neutral by the virtue of federal troops marching on Annapolis. The war riots in Baltimore in 1861 rivaled the draft riots in New York City in 1864. For awhile it was necessary for Federal officials travelling to and from Washington to bypass Baltimore because of the danger. Even the troops bound for their assembly points prior to Bull Run had to detour around Baltimore.

	30-08-2003 03:46									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Elok If every slave actually got forty acres, bearing in mind how many slaves there were...well, the government would have to give up about three states' worth of land at the very least. I don't think the average southern plantation was much more than forty acres, and each one of those had dozens of slaves working it. Not to mention small household slaves. The land couldn't have been given.

40 acres and a mule.

five million freed slaves. Half of whom were men, and not all of who were adults. Let's say two million Black freedmen.

That's 80 million acres. That's doable.

	30-08-2003 03:52									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber My understanding was that the origin was a small group that thought it would be fun to scare some of the superstitious local black folks and "put them in their place". The origins were pretty much a bunch of guys on a lark ( with about as much forethought and deeper meaning as the average modern college prank) as I understand it. It soon evolved into a " white protection" movement and then into an instrument of violence.

Actually it was founded as a sort of college "fraternity" in Murfreesboro, Tenneessee. The good ol' boys soon hit on the notion of using their white sheet disguises to scare blacks, and then to intimidate troublemakers, like those who thought that they could leave their old plantations or buy their own land.

Sadly I must admit that some of my ancestors were among the founders.

I'd like to see a remake of "Birth of a Nation", but have the film changed to portray the reality of history.

D. W. Griffith wasn't really a hard-core biggot. After making BoaN his next film was a piece about biggotry called "Intolerance". He was misled by lies passed down from generation to generation, so it would be cool to remake his masterpiece to reflect the truth.