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P.O.D. ? what does that mean?
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Bereta_Eder
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pod means pissed off?
i thought it meant poayable on death or something
anyway serbiua always said kosovo was its province. nothing new there really...
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Bereta_Eder
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i was visitijng some ba;lkan webspages lately.
THE JHATE!
i became sick of reading that and i didnt visit them again.
i really hope greece will manage to drag all of the balkans to the eu and the end of nationalism.
it was relly sick the thinmgs they said.
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Bereta_Eder
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maybe, maybe
but let face it, to the nationalist albanians, the goal is greater albania. albania, kosovo, north slavic macedonia, and i think they've given up their army to "liberate" nw greece. what was their name? was a funny one.
anyway.
i seriuously think that serbs will not accepot kosovo to the albanians.
maybe now cause serbia has a gun to its head, but not later.
i cant believe abanians are 90% in kosovo. they are also 40% in fyromialand.
go muslim balkans!
in any case what balkans need is less racialism, less ethnicism, less nationalism, and more wealth. yep.
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
I was sleepy but I recall hearing from the radio today morning, that Serbia has declared Kosovo to be it's province, and that's all there is to it. Albans are P.O.d..
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So what? It is a Serbian province. Why it confuse you?
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VetLegion
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Pekka, de facto Kosovo already is an independant state. De iure it is still a part of Serbia.
The reason for this is international community is trying it's best to prevent violent changes of borders in the Balkans. There is great fear of domino effect any such change would cause.
You will notice after the Yugoslavian wars no borders were actually changed. For example, Serbs in Bosnia have an independant state but officially it is part of Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
EU is even trying to prevent Serbia - Montenegro splitup, which would be voluntary if it eventually happened.
So what will happen with Kosovo is it will be forced to stay part of Serbia on paper, but it will grow more and more independant.
Some hope that both Serbia, Macedonia and Kosovo will enter EU soon enough and that will help reduce nationalism and silence wishes for border changes.
The claims you hear every now and then from Serb politicians are just attempts to score political points on patriotism. Kosovo is over 90% Albanian and nothing they say or do can change that.
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VetLegion
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On the other hand it is not that Serbian feelings do not evoke sympathy too. Kosovo is full of their churches, monasteries and other national heritage. They lost an important battle against the Turks there, etc.
You can't cling to history though. Albanian self-governing rights are part of their human rights. Question is, could violence have been avoided by better treatment of Albanian majority in Kosovo?
Hard to say. Even if they weren't treated like second rate citizens under Milosevic, the situation there would be pretty volatile. They are still in a demographic boom unparalleled in europe. There are many young and unemployed people there, sounds like a stage for trouble.
Maybe even EU type treatment could not / can not make their wish for independant state dissapear.
Look at Basque, they can't really complain of their living standard and their liberties, but still they have a terrorist group that blows stuff up and kills people for independance. In EU no less, where borders are supposed to mean ****.
What I mean is, if people want independance - money, freedom, safety... sometimes none of these can convince them otherwise. I am not sure the wish is completely rational in that case, but it's there.
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:30
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Kosovo beliongs to Serbia.
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appendix of Europe
May 2001
time: 06:30
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peka, nice try. try harder.
1) formally, kosovo is still a province of serbia. de facto, as already pointed out, it is under a UN protectorate
2) serbian and kosovo parliament occassionally make declarations that serve no practical purpose but quiet discontent among their consituencies
3) most of the serb really do not care any more about kosovo...its gang-ridden albanian disneyland, the land of no future and clever un expats who make money on someone else's misery. the only time anyone pays attention is when something horrible happens. 'horrible' by recent standards are not random killings of serb who remained there, but e.g. killing children who were swimming in a local river. they were in their early teens. this is actually a shift in albanian terrorist tactics, as their code of honor prohibits attacking children and women. obviously extremists within extremists are getting the upper hand.
now, next time you want to feel disgusted over something, try getting disgusted at those random killings. kosovo was a fifth avenue during milosevic in comparison with what it turned out to be now (i am talking about pre-war milosvic police state). so instead of keeping track of resolutions, try keeping track of a body count (as our friends do so dilligently in the ME thread).
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LaRusso
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appendix of Europe
May 2001
time: 06:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah, Milosevich was such a nice man, wasn't he?
Afghanistan was pretty clean place when Taliban was in control. So what? I'm just saying, it doesn't matter what it was back in the days and what it is now to this conversation. At least not that way, or if it does or if I missed something, then you have to be more clear that I understand it as well. |
Well, since you have American flag on your avatar, lets include Afghanistan, Iraq and Kosovo in the whole picture. If you go to some place, declare that it is unfit to rule itself/under dictatorship/harboring terrorists/not free, then topple the government (or occupy a part of its territory), it is expected that you bring some peace and stability and actually lower the body count there. I subscribe to the view that less people dead should be on top of the agenda, there simply is nothing more valuable than human life (except, perhaps, oil....). Now look at those three places and telll me if there was any kind of success and improvement in any aspect since the days of anarchy/dictatorship/oppression.
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29-08-2003 10:13
Most of them thought Albania was to backwards and would be a drag on the Kosovars! Imagine how shitty a country would have to be in order to be a drag on Kosovo. 
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