31-08-2003 04:39									#1
	When should make war on GCA? 2 Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

From turn 112.

This is a real bill.

	31-08-2003 04:59									#2
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These are not exactly the options the Consuls/MoW are looking at. The options should be 3, 7, or 10 turns from the next turn; with listed amount of units available for each posted below the choices for clarification. Alos all pertinent information concerning the CFC/GCA war shoud be included for information.

Ideally, we would have started a discussion thread asking the same question but allowing discussion to follow. Then after a few days, we hold a formal poll on the same question.

I vote to make this poll void. I do not like the choices presented.

	31-08-2003 05:08									#3
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I appreciate that MJW is making polls because no one else has bothered to do so, but what we need (or what I need) is information to be presented in that poll that allows me to make an educated decision about the different options.

I don't know why 6 or 10 turns is better/worse, and I don't know what military we'd have on those turns. Also, once a turn or two is played, it's going to get confusing ... I don't know which turn we're on right now, and which turn this poll is counting from.

My very humble suggestion:

Poll that gives options as Turn #s (112, 118, 120, 123, etc) and tells us the projected/planned military force we'd have ready (in attack position) on that turn.

I know there is some concern also about getting a settler to the point of attack and there is also concern regarding GA planning. Perhaps that information could be included as well from those who are in the know.

Personally, I'd like to see us attack ASAP ... the question then becomes, when is it possible/practical to attack?

--Togas

	31-08-2003 07:10									#4
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People pick turn 6 and 10 in the last poll so thats why i made 6 and 10 choices here.

	31-08-2003 09:53									#5
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I voted, but upon review I would like us to follow up on Togas' suggestions.

Now is a time for maximum clarity. We have a few team members who are totally on top of things (/applause), but now is the time for ALL of us to step up and be accounted for.

When do we go to war?

	31-08-2003 10:40									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Damn good question, Theseus.

It somewhat depends on diplomacy, unfortunately. We cannot afford to tell CFC to go to hell. If we leave them adrift, they may well give GCA Feudalism to get peace.

If we go to war in 6, we will lack mercs at the front to protect the mi's. If we go to war in 10, CFC may well have packed it and gifted pikes to our enemies.

We are walking a tight rope. We go to war as soon as needed, but not before we are prepared or have to.

	31-08-2003 11:06									#7
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We have 5 mi's, 5 swords in line to upg next turn.

3 mercs

3 horse. One is off to the north to help contain barbs.

Next turn we get a merc and an mi.

2 turns from now we get another merc and an mi.

Add 3 turns to move into position, and we have 12mi, 5merc, 3 horse (maybe 2) in position to move in 5 turns.

	31-08-2003 11:07									#8
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The units I have mentioned are vet. We have some regs scattered about, and a few reg warriors that will be used for scouts/mi upgs to combat barbs.

	31-08-2003 14:47									#9
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I have posted numbers that can be used for discussion in this thread.

We should discuss it then poll the majority of the discussed options to see what we think as a collective.

I'm also thinking of amending the Constitution to include a clause that says "any poll that recieves more 'abstain' (or banana) votes than any other selection, will be delared invalid."


edit: fixed wording of clause

Last edited by BigFree on 31-08-2003 at 15:33