09-09-2003 21:48									#241
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The trick, they say, is to make it look easy

	09-09-2003 21:52									#242
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Exactly.
Ho-hum, I got another sack.
Yawn, I threw another 80 yard TD pass.
Go back and do it again.

	09-09-2003 21:53									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I like Sapp. I think he has class,

Good one.

	09-09-2003 21:55									#244
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quote: Exactly. Ho-hum, I got another sack. Yawn, I threw another 80 yard TD pass. Go back and do it again.

That is nice, but sometimes you need to encourage or boost the moral of your teammates while smashing that of your opponents... It's all mind games.

	09-09-2003 22:02									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Japher That is nice, but sometimes you need to encourage or boost the moral of your teammates while smashing that of your opponents... It's all mind games.

An 80 yard TD pass won't do these things?

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	09-09-2003 22:04									#246
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Not if you go "Ah, whatever..." after it. Jump up and down, grab your teammates ass, it's part of the fun! Get excited!

What's the deal in that? Why is it so unclassy to be happy about accomplishments?

Perhaps this a discussion for another thread

	10-09-2003 03:31									#247
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It was Barry Sanders' same style of classy play that got me into football in the first place. That guy was such a stud.
Luckily, there are still a few young players that seem to adhere to this mentality...but sadly, a lot of them look like total dumfuxs out there most of the time.

I'm still in dire need of a backup running back, but I'm happy with my team so far...everyone contributed except my kicker!!! Imagine my frustration when I heard the fake kick on the radio...

	10-09-2003 03:35									#248
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The fake kick was lame, you don't do that in the first quarter!

	10-09-2003 03:44									#249
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quote: See... Sapp & Keyshawn are the exception, not the rule.

No, they are the rule on that team . The exceptions are Jurivicus and Brad Johnson.

Anyway the game probably would have been better if the Eagles could CATCH A FREAKING BALL THAT HIT 'EM IN THE HANDS. I've never seen such a horrible display by 'pro' recievers. How do you drop such an easy toss that even Sloww could have caught () in the end zone on 4th and 1?

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Anyway, teams that looked better than predicted:

Pittsburgh (WOW... they killed a great D in Baltimore)
San Francisco (Looks like loosing Mooch won't be that bad )
Seattle (Great performance on both sides)
Minnesota (Imagine if Moss played hard on EVERY play )
Buffalo (Amazing performance)

Teams that looked worse than predicted:

Miami (obviously... what a joke)
New England (well now, letting Milloy go seemed to be a bad idea, didn't it)
Green Bay (Oy!)
New Orleans (Do they even care anymore?)

Just missing out on the later list was St. Louis, only because Bulger might make them just as good as predicted.

Fearless predictions (based on week 1)!

AFC Championship:

Buffalo at Pittsburgh

NFC Champtionship:

Tampa Bay at San Francisco (or maybe Seattle)

	10-09-2003 03:52									#250
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quote: San Francisco (Looks like loosing Mooch won't be that bad )

Even though I am a Niner fan, I wouldn't jump to conclusions so fast... It was the Bears! This weekend will be their true test, especially if Warner doesn't play, and I am hoping he does.

quote: Minnesota (Imagine if Moss played hard on EVERY play )

For some reason Minnesota has Favre's number. They beat 'em last year, when Favre was playing like crap, and so what they did it again... I'd wait on them to.

quote: Buffalo (Amazing performance)

Three Words: I Love Blodesoe... Can't believe the Pats ditched him, only to have him come back and tromp all over them

quote: Miami (obviously... what a joke)

No idea what happened. Yeah, Texans!

quote: Green Bay (Oy!)

Definite ouch... Why the replace almost their entire O-line is beyond me.

To leave the Rams out is weak... Without the receivers they use to have theya re going to be bad. Warner out within at least the next two weeks, with Bulger in it will all come down on Faulk, who was hurt last year too. If Faulk goes out? Canidate is gone...

However, I must agree with your predictions... Niners or Seattle? Might it come down to the last game on Dec. 27th?

	10-09-2003 03:59									#251
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quote: Even though I am a Niner fan, I wouldn't jump to conclusions so fast... It was the Bears!

Well, people were saying hiring Erickson was a bad move, etc., etc. This game, even though it WAS against the Bears showed that San Fran is just fine on offense without Mooch.

quote: For some reason Minnesota has Favre's number.

I was mostly talking about how good Culpepper and Moss looked. Moe Williams ran the ball efficiently as well.

quote: To leave the Rams out is weak... Without the receivers they use to have theya re going to be bad. Warner out within at least the next two weeks, with Bulger in it will all come down on Faulk, who was hurt last year too. If Faulk goes out?

No, I don't think it is weak. Why? Because the team may respond to Bulger as it did last year (6 straight wins). With Bulger in there is no way it'll all come down to Faulk ... Bulger was a great QB last year and with Warner looking very messed up, he can easily turn the team around.

AND, besides, even though they sucked, they didn't look that much worse than predicted (I've seen them be predicted all over the place).

	10-09-2003 07:26									#252
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quote: The exceptions are Jurivicus and Brad Johnson.

Good god... you forgot McCardell, the entire O-line (Oben & Whittle in particular), Spires, Booger, Brooks, Quarles, and the entire secondary. Again, Sapp & Key are the exception, not the rule. Typical smack talk from someone who's biased and doesn't know better.

quote: Even though I am a Niner fan, I wouldn't jump to conclusions so fast... It was the Bears! This weekend will be their true test, especially if Warner doesn't play, and I am hoping he does.

ITA - let's see San Francisco do that against a *good* team (sorry, Ming/rah, but it's the harsh truth) before we go lauding the praise on them. They really don't have a sure litmus test until they play the Bucs in Week 7 - and St. Louis & Seattle don't count yet.

quote: Fearless predictions (based on week 1)!

Might as well throw mine in...

AFC: Buffalo v. Tennessee
NFC: Tampa Bay v. N.Y. Giants

	10-09-2003 07:42									#253
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I have to agree with reismark, Sapp and Keyshawn are the exceptions not Jurivicius and Brad Johnson.

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	10-09-2003 09:24									#254
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quote: the entire O-line

Yeah, because O-lines are really braggarts .

quote: the entire secondary

One word: Lynch.

And Brooks . He was a trash talker when he was at FSU and in the pros before the Bucs, and he's still the same way.

quote: let's see San Francisco do that against a *good* team (sorry, Ming/rah, but it's the harsh truth) before we go lauding the praise on them. They really don't have a sure litmus test until they play the Bucs in Week 7

If they are 4-2 or 5-1 by Week 7 don't you think that qualifies as a 'good' team .

	10-09-2003 09:46									#255
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Keenan Mccardell is from UNLV, so I'm a fan of his. He's not a superstar receiver, but he catches the ball when it counts.

As for San Fransisco. Well, they still have their offense intact. Why wouldn't they be good? Their defense still might be questionable this year. But their defense is by no means horrible. It'll be the same as last year's I suppose. They will make the playoffs. I just don't see them making the superbowl.

NFC championship game prediction. Tampa Bay vs San Fransisco

AFC championship game prediction. Kansas city vs. Tennessee. Buffalo looked pretty good, but I think Tennesee will pull off another music city miracle against them in a divisional playoff game.

	10-09-2003 09:59									#256
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That's right, Diss. SF WAS a playoff team last year, so why wouldn't they still be good. The only quibbles was how they would deal with a new coach. Even though it was the Bears, they seemed to deal with them fine (put up the most points this weekend of any team).

	10-09-2003 10:59									#257
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My prediction:

NFC - Tampa beats Philly and repeats

AFC - Does it matter?
Oakland beats Tennessee

	10-09-2003 11:12									#258
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How can you possible have the SAME NFC and AFC Championship Game? Have you even been watching football since 1998? It's parity man, things change at a rapid pace in this league.

Oh, and don't forget about KC as well. If their D is any better, they could be dangerous.

	10-09-2003 11:51									#259
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My crazy predictions:

NFC Championship:

Seattle over Carolina

AFC Championship:

Pittsburgh over Buffalo

	10-09-2003 14:51									#260
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Those predictions are not crazy enough:

AFC Ch'ship: CIN vs HOU

NFC Ch'ship: ARI vs DET


Seriously:

AFC Ch'ship: PIT vs TEN

NFC Ch'ship: PHI vs TB

	10-09-2003 21:55									#261
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Just heard something interesting on ESPN. Apparently the last two Superbowl winners (TB and NE) LOST their first game. So look at the losers to see who'll go this year ... maybe that is what Miami was thinking.

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I'm board, so I'm going to have some fun.

Superbowl winners (off the top of my head). Years refer to the regular season.

66: Green Bay
67: Green Bay
68: NY Jets
69: Kansas City
70: Baltimore (Colts)
71: Dallas (?)
72: Miami
73: Miami
74: Pittsburgh
75: Pittsburgh
76: Dallas
77: Oakland
78: Pittsburgh
79: Pittsburgh
80: Oakland
81: San Francisco
82: Washington
83: Los Angeles (Raiders)
84: San Francisco
85: Chicago
86: NY Giants
87: Washington
88: San Francisco
89: San Francisco
90: NY Giants
91: Washington
92: Dallas
93: Dallas
94: San Francisco
95: Dallas
96: Green Bay
97: Denver
98: Denver
99: St. Louis
00: Baltimore
01: New England
02: Tampa Bay

All Decade Skill Position Teams (since the 70s):

The 70s

QB: Roger Staubach, Dal
RB: O.J. Simpson, Buf
FB: Franco Harris, Pit
WR: Lynn Swann, Pit
WR: Steve Largent, Sea
TE: .... I dunno (who included TE anyway ).

The 80s

QB: Joe Montana, SF (Duh! )
RB: Marcus Allen, Oak (when Al Davis wasn't trying to mess his career up)
FB: John Riggins, Was
WR: Jerry Rice, SF
WR: Art Monk, Was
TE: Kellen Winslow, SD

The 90s

QB: Brett Farve, GB
RB: Emmitt Smith, Dal
FB: Tom Rathman, SF
WR: Jerry Rice, SF
WR: Michael Irvin, Dal
TE: Shannon Sharpe, Den

(Btw, Bronco fans, Elway and Davis just missed out)

The '00s

QB: Peyton Manning, Ind
RB: Marshal Faulk, Stl
FB: Mike Alstott, TB
WR: Marvin Harrison, Ind
WR: Randy Moss, Min (sorry T.O.)
TE: Tony Gonzales, KC

	10-09-2003 21:59									#262
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The 80s RB: Marcus Allen, Oak (when Al Davis wasn't trying to mess his career up)

Number 34... Walter Payton.

	10-09-2003 22:01									#263
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I'll take Allen over Payton, Ming. You can't deny that it is close.

	10-09-2003 22:04									#264
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Allen over Payton? Blasphemy!

	10-09-2003 22:07									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'll take Allen over Payton, Ming. You can't deny that it is close.

NO... it isn't even close. Payton by a mile. Look at the stats...

	10-09-2003 22:09									#266
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I did just look at the stats... one that POPS out is the difference in number of carries. Al Davis did not like Allen too much. That's the reason he gets 200 carries a year while #1 backs like Payton got 300 carries at least (usually get 300-400 carries per season).

I consider Allen-Payton to be similar to the difference between (Emmitt) Smith- (Barry) Sanders. Stat wise, Emmitt wins easily, but many will say Barry was the better back.

	10-09-2003 22:13									#267
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If we compare:

Allen:
Att: 3022
Yards: 12,243
YPC: 4.1
TD: 123

Payton:
Att: 3838
Yards: 16,728
YPC: 4.4
TD: 110

It looks much closer when you look at Yards per Carry and TDs.

	10-09-2003 22:15									#268
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I'm sorry, did you take Emmitt Smith over Barry Sanders?

	10-09-2003 22:16									#269
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Well, Emmitt is the all-time leader.

But, you're right, barry was the best pure back by a mile.

	10-09-2003 22:16									#270
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Gee... looking at the numbers... it isn't close.

Big difference between 4.1 and 4.4 when you consider the numbers of attempts.

And 38% more yards...

Payton easily