04-09-2003 20:21									#1
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Discuss...is it related to quantum physics, for example?

	04-09-2003 20:24									#2
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quote: is it related to quantum physics

of course, everything is. Yet how consciousness is created? Good question, I have no idea. Probably has to do with neurons and crap like that

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quote: is it related to quantum physics

Probably.

	04-09-2003 20:29									#4
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Do we have a conscious universe ..are planets conscious of their paths..?

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No

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1 Define consciousness.

2 Show that it is in fact created rather than pre-exists.

Then we can discuss.

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Only humans are conscious, everything else is here for our amusement.

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Synapses

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It's all speculation innit.

All I think is that consciousness isn't a concept that was created on earth...

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The concept of conciousness is totally different from conciousness itself. The concept of conciousness was created on earth, even if it was created somewhere else as well.

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don't confuse what you consider to be 'cnsciousness' to be really it?

I mean, is a cat consciouss? Is a fly? How do we know they are or aren't, they cannot tell us, and therefore how do we know a rock isn't? How do we know that we ARE?

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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man don't confuse what you consider to be 'cnsciousness' to be really it? I mean, is a cat consciouss? Is a fly? How do we know they are or aren't, they cannot tell us, and therefore how do we know a rock isn't?

Rocks do not post on forums. They do not sing songs they created on their own. They do not make wars.....

(20 years later)

......they do not form political parties. They do not make movies. They are not members of the UN. They do not make suicide attacks. They do not communicate with us. They do not even communicate with eachother......etc, etc, etc

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Consciousness is just a term created by humans for somethign to feel smug about, or to further seperate themselves from other life. I don't think it actually means anything concrete.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Rocks do not post on forums. They do not sing songs they created on their own. They do not make wars..... (20 years later) ......they do not form political parties. They do not make movies. They are not members of the UN. They do not make suicide attacks. They do not communicate with us. They do not even communicate with eachother......etc, etc, etc

Just because they don't think and store memory, it dosn't mean that they don't 'know' they are there.

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What indicators do you have that they "know" this?

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Oh, and how do they know something without a brain?

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How would you program a computer so that it behaves as if it was conscious ?

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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT How would you program a computer so that it behaves as if it was conscious ?

Good point. Do you create a few copies of neurons? I don't think so - it seems from reading a few sources that consciousness may be an inherent property of our universe.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro What indicators do you have that they "know" this?

how do you 'know' that they don't?

How do you 'know' you need a brain to 'know' things? Are you sure your brain isn't just an instrument, but your awareness something seperate?

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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue it seems from reading a few sources that consciousness may be an inherent property of our universe.

Do you mean that consciousness has no physical support ?

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No material/physical support, no - but something else.

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Ah, that could explain the so unequal sharing of consciousness among the mankind ! :

But I dont think so.

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Something I just been reading

http://twm.co.nz/goswam1.htm

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....now that's the 10 million dollar question

Clearly consciousness has to be something of higher order than simply storing memory and doing computations - or else computers would have killed us all by now. (maybe they're just waiting )

But if the brain is just a complex set of neurons, it is really nothing more than a bunch of curcuits? Essentially a computer, no matter how complex. But nonetheless there is very much we have yet to learn about the brain.

There's also the question of when consciousness begins, 1 month after fertilization, 2 months?, 9 months? Are infants even conscious? Are animals conscious? What does it even mean to be conscious? Is it enough to collect data and make conclusions about it? Is it being aware of one's own existence? Or is it something more than that?

Memories alone do not prove consciousness. As I see it, consciousness is a phenomena of the present, talking about it in the past has no meaning. There was never any moment in which it was created, consciousness has to be an inherent property of the universe, which recognizes me as "I" become selfaware - simply because I am conscious right now and there is no way to prove anyone or anything else is conscious. Nor is there any way of proving I was once consious, only that right now at this moment I am conscious. By that same logic consciousness can never be destroyed, only return to the universe as I lose my self-awareness. (kinda like that whole buddhist idea)

Or consciousness simply begins and ends with me, and repeats in an infinite cycle through my existence. No beginning of the universe, no end of the universe, only me.

Or maybe consciousness doesn't exist at all, and all my brain is really doing is carrying out computations over which "I" (which really becomes a meaningless term) am unable to control.

Ah the wondrous realm of metaphysics.

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I think I might do and drink myself unconscious as an experiment.

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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue How is consciousness created?

Well, see, there's this sperm, and this egg, and they get together, and...it's a long story.

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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV 1 Define consciousness.

That is the first task.

	06-09-2003 10:50									#28
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Well, heck, now I'm scared to kick that rock.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Only humans are conscious, everything else is here for our amusement.

Only I am consciousness, all of you are here for my amusement

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Why does consciousness need to be defined, please?