06-09-2003 11:02									#1
	MSN - General Diplomacy Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

John says:
we should just ask the drones for a unit exchange
Voltaire says:
What should I say in gerds to that?
Voltaire says:
just the dates
Voltaire says:
and what we are planning on building?
Voltaire says:
*regards not gerds
John says:
we're planning on building HGP and PTS next turn
John says:
and we're planning on building VW either in 2136 or 2137
John says:
I checked building the ME
John says:
it's only really viable in 2139
John says:
which will probably be too late
John says:
because I think at least one other faction will get it
Voltaire says:
alright
Voltaire says:
posted
John says:
okya
John says:
Have you had a look at the simulator challenge?
Voltaire says:
Just now
John says:
so is it okay if we rename one of those cities so motivate people.
Voltaire says:
I will give it a shot this weekend
Voltaire says:
of course
John says:
cool
Voltaire says:
which reminds me
Voltaire says:
the Hive itself may not be the safest location for our capital
Voltaire says:
as a costal base it is open to Pirate attack
John says:
I'm thinking of moving it to either HongHu-KongHu
John says:
or Feckin
John says:
HongHu-KongHu if we decide to make an SCC
John says:
because we can trawl tidal harasses
Voltaire says:
alright
Voltaire says:
also
Voltaire says:
how soon can we begin your proposed land raising project?
John says:
depends on when we get the tech
John says:
I've got the first two squares we want to land raise
John says:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=95827
John says:
look at the most recent post
John says:
it affected one of the adjusted bases.
John says:
so I rehashed the base sites
Voltaire says:
how much land could we reclaim using these methods? and would it really be valuable given the drone penalties on transcendance?
John says:
the land raising proposed there is mainly to create the protected sea
John says:
so we can build trawelers that the pirates can't get at
John says:
notice how the bases are actually channels
Voltaire says:
yes, that will certanly be of use if we intend to match the pirates in naval power
John says:
that allow our boats to pass
Voltaire says:
yes
Voltaire says:
i do this often in my games
John says:
oh yeah something which we should do
John says:
well, maybe we could do is a gloat edition of pravda?
Voltaire says:
lol
Voltaire says:
indeed
Voltaire says:
i like the idea
John says:
Time it when we get to 2136
John says:
another thing should we play mind games with the other factions?
John says:
like make announcements of us starting the secret projects
John says:
then letting them watch us finish it next turn
Voltaire says:
lol
Voltaire says:
That would be great
Voltaire says:
we've acomplished a lot
Voltaire says:
it's not as though we have nothing to show for our gloating
John says:
however should we play it cool
John says:
because gloating may make other factions dislike us.
Voltaire says:
perhaps
Voltaire says:
though there's nothing wrong with publishing our acomplishments in PRAVDA
Voltaire says:
for once it will actually say something that's remotely true
John says:
actually I'm kindof worried about arragvanting other factions.
John says:
because after building 3 SPs we will overtake the data angels
John says:
and probably be twice the power of some of the other factions.
Voltaire says:
good point
Voltaire says:
we may as well keep quite
Voltaire says:
it's best to say nothing
Voltaire says:
since that can do no damage
John says:
hrmm we should consider what kind of trade proposals we should make to other factions.
John says:
like if we meet the university
Voltaire says:
well first we have to know what they have in terms of tech if we're going to trade that, they will most likely accept most tech trade offers
Voltaire says:
as for economic trade
Voltaire says:
the other factions will sign treaties in order to foster that
Voltaire says:
particularly the ones running capitalism
Voltaire says:
it may well not be in our best interest to pursue free trade with these factions
John says:
a trade treaty probably won't be useful to us.
Voltaire says:
exactly
John says:
am I allowed to offer proposals, on the understanding these will be voted on by the faction later.
John says:
So basically start our trading faster.
Voltaire says:
Of course please do by all means
John says:
if I propose something, then post the poll to ratify it.
John says:
generally the hive will probably come to a decision sooner than the other faction (from experience with the drones)
Voltaire says:
indeed
Voltaire says:
that is their loss because our offers are mutualy beneficial
John says:
hrmm if we meet the priates can I trade all any 2 of the three techs we have in exchange for flexibility?
John says:
if we trade loyalty, then I'll just prep our crawlers to build the CN
Voltaire says:
I would not be opposed to it
Voltaire says:
flexebility pays off quickly
Voltaire says:
since we can get probes out to other factions in order to gain more tech
John says:
and we won't have to research mobility
John says:
and I intend trade the drone's commlink for the cycon if the pirates will go for it.
John says:
lastly if we meet the cycon, can we offer a pact.
John says:
Also we should try and as much of the diplomatic conversation in the embassy forum.
Voltaire says:
yes indeed, the cycon may well want a pact with us over the pirates
Voltaire says:
and anything that will weaken the cycon pirate relationship is good for us
John says:
what diplomatic relations should we have with the pirates?
Voltaire says:
peace preferably
Voltaire says:
here i must be going at the moment
John says:
so informal truce
Voltaire says:
we will talk more about this tomorrow
John says:
okay then
John says:
I'll post what we've said so far
John says:
cya then
Voltaire says:
night