08-09-2003 17:10									#31
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Musically, the U.S. anthem is a rather overly-bombastic, banal piece. Perfect for chest-thumping, yes, but hardly a great tune. The vocal line is rather ineptly written, from a singing standpoint. Key obviously didn't know how to write for singers, considering the range is all over the place.

Still, it strikes an emotional chord through association, as I'm sure most national anthems do. But I can think of plenty of superior anthems, including Russia, Germany, France, etc.

	08-09-2003 17:11									#32
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Oh, and if you want to see what a great composer can do with the Star-Spangled Banner, just listen to what Puccini does with it in Madama Butterfly. Genius!

	08-09-2003 17:18									#33
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If you like the sombre-sad type anthem, Hatikva (the Israel one, lit. "The Hope") wins out. for more cheerful stuff the French one is good. Australia has a horrible one, they should change it to Waltzing Matilda (even if it is about some guy committing suicide!)

	08-09-2003 17:23									#34
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damn Boris. how, just HOW can you be so unamerican?

	08-09-2003 17:36									#35
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT "I should hate my country for all the horrible things it has done, but I do not. " Because deep down you love your country for all the good it has done, regardless of whether you want to admit it to yourself. I think I'll coin a bumper sticker slogan for people like you: "It's OK to love the USA"

I'd like one of them bumper stickers!

	08-09-2003 18:49									#36
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I can understand one gets moved by listening to the Russian or the French anthems, for they are quite good tunes
But the American anthem ?! Come on, next time you'll say you're moved by God Save the Queen or by the Japanese Anthem

	08-09-2003 18:51									#37
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I am usually moved by my country's national anthem as well.

	08-09-2003 19:18									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion damn Boris. how, just HOW can you be so unamerican?

The amazing part is it all comes natural, no effort required.
And Spiffor sucks, that's well-known.
Che sucks.
Well, the list just goes on and on.

	08-09-2003 19:22									#39
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand The amazing part is it all comes natural, no effort required. And Spiffor sucks, that's well-known. Che sucks. Well, the list just goes on and on.

C'mon Slowwy, you generally have quite a good musical taste.
You just know a boring music when you hear one

	08-09-2003 19:26									#40
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand The amazing part is it all comes natural, no effort required. And Spiffor sucks, that's well-known. Che sucks. Well, the list just goes on and on.

	08-09-2003 19:27									#41
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Che sucks.

F*ck you, I had nothing to do with this discussion.

Personally, This Land if Your Land and American the Beautiful move me more than the national anthem.

	08-09-2003 19:28									#42
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Chegitz, you will have to pardon Slowwy -- it's that time of the year for him again . . . .

	08-09-2003 19:29									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Come on, next time you'll say you're moved by God Save the Queen

GSTQ is crap, however 'Land of Hope and Glory' does move me somewhat. That would be our anthem but for the racism in it. Does anyone know what lines people object to in it, that get it branded as racist?

	08-09-2003 19:30									#44
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Nobody rattled your cage, Fun.

Che, get over it buddy. Criminey but you're getting to be a poophead in your old age.


At least Spiffor retains a sense of humor.
"Foreigners" I wouldn't expect to me moved by the OUR National Anthem.

	08-09-2003 19:34									#45
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Nobody rattled your cage, Fun.

The problem is that you really seem to disrespect people who can think objectively about different aspects of their own country.

And take the trolls for what they are, instead of raising your blood pressure over them.

	08-09-2003 19:38									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Musically, the U.S. anthem is a rather overly-bombastic, banal piece. Perfect for chest-thumping, yes, but hardly a great tune. The vocal line is rather ineptly written, from a singing standpoint. Key obviously didn't know how to write for singers, considering the range is all over the place.

IIRC Key only wrote the words. The music is from an english drinking song.


BTW - you want to get all teary about it, go to Fort McHenry in Baltimore, and listen to it after a description of the battle, as the curtain is drawn to show the flag flying over the fort.

	08-09-2003 19:40									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Zevico If you like the sombre-sad type anthem, Hatikva (the Israel one, lit. "The Hope") wins out.

Of course the music for that one is based on Smetana's "moldau" - which, ironically, always reminds me of "hatikvah" when i hear it.

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quote: Originally posted by Zevico If you like the sombre-sad type anthem, Hatikva (the Israel one, lit. "The Hope") wins out.

Of course the music for that one is based on Smetana's "moldau" - which, ironically, always reminds me of "hatikvah" when i hear it.

Also interesting historical resonances, since Czech nationalism has tended to be generally non antisemitic (well not always, but certainly as led by Masaryk) especially in comparison to the Czech opponents among radical Grossdeutsch nationalism. And in the 20's it was said "there are czechs, and there are slovaks, but the only czechoslovaks are the Jews". And Czechoslovakia was first state to send arms to Israel in '48. Etc...

	08-09-2003 19:47									#49
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USA! USA!

The US National Anthem moves me as well. It's a great anthem

And che, really, Slow is right, you need to develop that sense of humor of yours. We did it for Fun, we can do it for you (Just kidding Fun, don't go apeshit ).

	08-09-2003 19:48									#50
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara F*ck you, I had nothing to do with this discussion. Personally, This Land is Your Land .

Another great patriotic tune written by a lefty

Though actually the best "patriotic" music written by a lefty is by Aaron Copeland - Fanfare for the Common man, Lincoln Portrait, and, in a different way, Appalachian Spring. Once I was driving along the GW Parkway, with the vista of the capital appearing across the Potomac, when Fanfare came on - it was a very nice accidental "gesamthkuntswerk" (Sp?)

	08-09-2003 19:48									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui USA! USA! The US National Anthem moves me as well. It's a great anthem And che, really, Slow is right, you need to develop that sense of humor of yours. We did it for Fun, we can do it for you (Just kidding Fun, don't go apeshit ).

Yes, I suppose if even I can be saved, so can Chegitz, right?

	08-09-2003 19:49									#52
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Enough with the personal crap folks...

And Sloww... you are one post away from getting restricted. ATTACK THE ARGUMENTS... NOT THE POSTERS!

	08-09-2003 19:50									#53
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I *love* Fanfare for the Common Man.

	08-09-2003 19:51									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Enough with the personal crap folks... And Sloww... you are one post away from getting restricted. ATTACK THE ARGUMENTS... NOT THE POSTERS!

. . . and thus, Ming came down from the mountains with the Commandments, and God saw that this was good.

	08-09-2003 19:51									#55
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Because you are emotionally stunted and hence easily moved?

All my nation's anthem does for me is make me wish we had something better. Preferably jazz with a good drum skiffle in it, and maybe a washboard or two.

	08-09-2003 19:52									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And che, really, Slow is right, you need to develop that sense of humor of yours.

It was an attack from left field. I wasn't part of the thread and wham.

	08-09-2003 19:54									#57
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The only one who got their panties in a twist was Fun.
Like that matters a lot, it's so unusual.

	08-09-2003 19:56									#58
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand The only one who got their panties in a twist was Fun. Like that matters a lot, it's so unusual.

So I overreacted -- again.

	08-09-2003 20:09									#59
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quote: It was an attack from left field. I wasn't part of the thread and wham.

Lighten up .

	08-09-2003 20:11									#60
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Save Chegitz, like you saved me Imran.