08-09-2003 10:03									#1
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well watching the national anthem earlier today on a football game kind of welled me up... just a little. I never would cry or anything like that. But it does still move me.

I try my darndest not to be patriotic and nationalistic. I tell myself it's just a country. A country responsible for millions of deaths around the world. A nation taking away civil liberties left and right. A nation that takes far too much of my money and throws it down the drain. A nation that only cares about the wealth of its people and not the environment.

So why does the national anthem of the U.S. still afftect me? Europeans are amazed that people actually care for the national anthem in the U.S. I don't know why it's a big deal to me, but it is. I should hate my country for all the horrible things it has done, but I do not.

Patriotism and nationalism is silly. I have a little secret to tell. I did not join the military because I loved my country. I joined for the career opportunities, and because I had nothing better to do at the time . Would I have defended my ship against attack? Well yes of course, it is in my well being to do so. I did not fly one single flag after 9/11. I refused to jump on that bandwagon.

	08-09-2003 10:08									#2
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I talk about my own thoughts too much don't I? I try not to talk about myself too much. No one wants to hear that crap- not even me. So ignore my ramblings ans discuss how your feel about your national anthem.

well use this thread to discuss your feelings about your national anthem- whatever country you may be from.

	08-09-2003 10:09									#3
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"I should hate my country for all the horrible things it has done, but I do not. "

Because deep down you love your country for all the good it has done, regardless of whether you want to admit it to yourself.

I think I'll coin a bumper sticker slogan for people like you: "It's OK to love the USA"

	08-09-2003 10:27									#4
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I think the US has a great anthem - one of the best.

	08-09-2003 10:29									#5
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The most moving ever was when the Brits played it after 9/11

UK!

	08-09-2003 10:34									#6
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Actually your congress men and women singing it on the steps of the Capitol was extraordinarily moving even for an old cynic like me.

Reminded me of what a great country and people you are.

	08-09-2003 10:42									#7
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Yeah, that was pretty touching, but I guess for us Amis the UK playing our anthem during the changing of the guards was more moving, for the reason that it was another country doing it.

	08-09-2003 10:46									#8
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I missed that.

	08-09-2003 10:54									#9
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The Coldstream Guards

The Duke of York, representing the Queen, and US ambassador William Farish stood solemnly side-by-side as hundreds of well-wishers paid their tributes.

It gave way to a two-minute silence to honour the victims of the atrocities in New York and Washington.

This was followed by the British national anthem.

Then the band from the outgoing Number 7 Company, Coldstream Guards, played a selection of sombre US music, including Hymn for the Fallen, written by US composer John Williams and used in the final credits of the film, Saving Private Ryan.

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	08-09-2003 10:55									#10
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You can see it here on video. Video is low quality but you get the idea:

http://www.yolo.net/wpd/ssb.html

	08-09-2003 10:56									#11
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The famous reaction from this lady...

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	08-09-2003 11:23									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I think the US has a great anthem - one of the best.

Yes, but any anthem about beating the British simply must be good.

	08-09-2003 11:27									#13
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dammit only troll non-British Eurocoms

	08-09-2003 11:30									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker The Duke of York, representing the Queen, and US ambassador William Farish stood solemnly side-by-side as hundreds of well-wishers paid their tributes

The Duke of York has a much nicer suit then Ambassador Farish. If the guy is supposed to represent the US you figure he could buy a suit from some where other then Sears.

	08-09-2003 11:37									#15
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British dudes wear the best suits in the world, next to the Italians. There is no way we can beat them head to head.

Or maybe we should outfit him with Armani so he dresses like P Diddy or Steve Harvey?!?!

	08-09-2003 12:40									#16
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Everyone knows the French national anthem is the best one in the world, bar none.

*Runs from angry mob*

	08-09-2003 12:50									#17
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The french and US anthems are so much better than ours. They actually depict something important and are good sing alongs too.
I always lived the Russian/SU one aswell

	08-09-2003 13:00									#18
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I like the second verse of God Save the Queen.

	08-09-2003 13:08									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I like the second verse of God Save the Queen.

IS that the one about smashing the Scots.

	08-09-2003 13:15									#20
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No that's the last verse

quote: God Save The Queen God save our gracious Queen Long live our noble Queen God save the Queen Send her victorious Happy and glorious Long to reign over us God save the Queen O Lord our God arise Scatter her enemies And make them fall Confound their politics Frustrate their knavish tricks On Thee our hopes we fix God save us all Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour Long may she reign May she defend our laws And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen Not in this land alone But be God's mercies known From shore to shore Lord make the nations see That men should brothers be And form one family The wide world over From every latent foe From the assassins blow God save the Queen O'er her thine arm extend For Britain's sake defend Our mother, prince, and friend God save the Queen Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring May he sedition hush And like a torrent rush Rebellious Scots to crush God save the King

Not sure how the King got in there at the end

	08-09-2003 13:27									#21
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that's a nice verse, a bit like the 1st verse of our anthem

	08-09-2003 13:57									#22
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I never know why God is being asked to save the queen, she is after all rulling by divine right. It should be a given

	08-09-2003 14:07									#23
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Oh Canada, our home and native land...

	08-09-2003 14:09									#24
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nice pic Stefu, never knew you had gained some pounds

	08-09-2003 14:20									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident well watching the national anthem earlier today on a football game kind of welled me up... just a little. I never would cry or anything like that. But it does still move me. I try my darndest not to be patriotic and nationalistic. I tell myself it's just a country. A country responsible for millions of deaths around the world. A nation taking away civil liberties left and right. A nation that takes far too much of my money and throws it down the drain. A nation that only cares about the wealth of its people and not the environment. So why does the national anthem of the U.S. still afftect me? Europeans are amazed that people actually care for the national anthem in the U.S. I don't know why it's a big deal to me, but it is. I should hate my country for all the horrible things it has done, but I do not. Patriotism and nationalism is silly. I have a little secret to tell. I did not join the military because I loved my country. I joined for the career opportunities, and because I had nothing better to do at the time . Would I have defended my ship against attack? Well yes of course, it is in my well being to do so. I did not fly one single flag after 9/11. I refused to jump on that bandwagon.

Maybe the Ironic nature of the words, so its a bitter sweet thing as you know deep in your heart the U.S. could and should do so much better than it does?
Same for most 1st world anthems i would guess?

	08-09-2003 14:25									#26
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Unity, justice and freedom are the pledge of fortune
Bloom in the that fortune's glance, bloom German fatherland

	08-09-2003 14:25									#27
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quote: nice pic Stefu, never knew you had gained some pounds

I never shot anybody before OD'ing on hormones and alcohol!

	08-09-2003 14:27									#28
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that's very "st_within" in both quality and relevance

	08-09-2003 15:59									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Oh Canada, our home and native land...

Is the worst anthem bar none. It's even worse than the Chilean one that goes on in maudlin tones for ages and then just when you think it's faded out, cranks up again.

The French have the best. I'm afraid that countless caterwauling performances by buxom women who'd given some old man a BJ for the privilege have ruined the Star Spangled Banner for me.

	08-09-2003 17:01									#30
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quote: So why does the national anthem of the U.S. still afftect me? Europeans are amazed that people actually care for the national anthem in the U.S.

It's an involuntary conditioned response. Your conciousness and personality have nothing to do with it. I still get moved by Scotland and Britain's national anthems, as well as by other countries (including America's) national anthems, even though I am anti-nationalist. It annoys me that my body has been hijacked, but there's not a lot I can do about it.