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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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It is the result of the Democratic Domino theory of the neo-cons, with their Trotskyte belief in the eternal revolution (Capitalist this time) and our need to export it.


That's permanent revolution. And it has nothing to do with what the Neo-cons aer pushing.

Permanent Revolution is simply this. When the weak bourgeoisies of colonial and neo-colonial countries attempt to throw off the old system (be it feudalism, tribalism, etc), they are too weak to do it themselves. They must call upon the aid of the working class to aid them, however, once the working class has seized power, rather than turning it over to the bourgeoisie, they should keep it for themsleves, and make the revolution permanent.

This has nothing to do with the belief that US imperialism can be a force for good.

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I just love it to see Che being pissed after GePap insulted the NeoCons !

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I just love it to see Che being pissed after GePap insulted the NeoCons !


I'm tired of the backhanded insults to Trotskyism, as if we're somehow to blame.

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Don't act line a neo-con Che, trying to stiffle opinion

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It was a ritual whereby Bush gave the American people a short description of on what he's going to be spending their money and a price tag. He was going over the head of Congress (who appropriates the funds and could make life hell for him) straight to the taxpayers. A good strategy.


Given that members of Congress got there by getting more votes than their opponents, rather than fewer, what's so good about it? Pretzel Boy has some sort of leverage here?

Americans are going to bombard Congress with demands to spend 87-billion dollars of our money in Iraq (and that's just this year!)...

This I gotta see!

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He didn't mention anything about how our country owes the United Nations money either, did he?


The UN is like an incompetent contractor.

We'll pay when we see something worth paying for.

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A nice cross-over to Trotskij there gepap. Can we expect to see you sneak up on Wolfowitz with a ice-pick any time soon?

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But I'm in miami in club fed, how could I Kropotkin?

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Can we expect to see you sneak up on Wolfowitz with a ice-pick any time soon?

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Americans are going to bombard Congress with demands to spend 87-billion dollars of our money in Iraq (and that's just this year!)...


Well, that includes a lot of Afghanistan money too. But things could turn against the Dems pretty quickly if it appears that Bush is being obstructed in doing his job. Presidents get a lot of leash on military matters.

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No dems as of yet have questioned giving the money: why should they, great reason to opose the pres. in making the tax cuts permanent, and painting him as fiscally irresponsible. Hel, Reps. are more likey to ***** about his spendthrift ways.

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The UN is like an incompetent contractor.

We'll pay when we see something worth paying for.


Yeah right -- like the United States will actually pay what it owes after the United Nations carries out the request for help in Iraq.

Nope -- I bet the United States will just continue disregarding its debt. Is this how capitalism works? You simply ignore who you owe, and how much?

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President Bush takes the security of the US seriously!


In exactly the same manner some idiot redneck with a gun takes defending his property seriously, shoot first and maybe think about it later. To hell with everyone else!

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I can't decide whether you're posting that in support of Bush, or as some kind of delightful irony.

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That only helps to validate my very low opinion of Spears: what a stupid thing to say.

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I just read Bush' speech on page 1.

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The Americans who assume great risks overseas understand the great cause they are in. Not long ago I received a letter from a captain in the 3rd Infantry Division in Baghdad. He wrote about his pride in serving a just cause, and about the deep desire of Iraqis for liberty. "I see it," he said, "in the eyes of a hungry people every day here. They are starved for freedom and opportunity." And he concluded, "I just thought you'd like a note from the 'front lines of freedom.'"


I didn't know the USA was occupying France.

Besides that, "the deep desire for liberty in the eyes of hungry people"... How anyone can buy this crap...

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I can't decide whether you're posting that in support of Bush, or as some kind of delightful irony.


I just came across it while at CNN's website, and thought of this thread.

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Here's a big surprise:

White House Says Iraq Funds Request Still Falls Short

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The White House acknowledged Monday that it substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding Iraq, and that even the additional $87 billion it is seeking from a wary Congress will fall far short of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.

Administration officials said President [sic] Bush's emergency spending request -- which would push the U.S. deficit above the half-trillion-dollar mark for the first time -- still leaves a reconstruction funding gap of as much as $55 billion dollars.


Oops.

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That only helps to validate my very low opinion of Spears: what a stupid thing to say.


It makes more sense in context; she gave it as a coy answer to avoid any sort of comment that would reflect badly upon her. Rather intelligent and a tactic that Johnny Depp and others would do well to learn.

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And the problem still, is that the political genius of Brittney and Johnny gets more attention that the real issue.

(well, maybe not here at the OT, but even here it's close)

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That only helps to validate my very low opinion of Spears: what a stupid thing to say.


It makes more sense in context; she gave it as a coy answer to avoid any sort of comment that would reflect badly upon her. Rather intelligent and a tactic that Johnny Depp and others would do well to learn.


Intelligent?
Nope, I don´t think so.

If it isn´t really the Opinion she has, it is just a Sign of Cowardice, not to say what she really thinks for fear that she might provoke Anger in some people.

After all I know she has enough money to afford a wealthy Lifestyle, even if all Americans decided to Boycot her CDs, so I think she can also afford to have an own Opinion

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Isn't Brittney's career more or less over as it is? I'm not following the life and adventures of the young stars of today with a close eye. But I think I can spot a has-been when I see one. I mean, starting a controversy might be a good thing, to get the last few bucks out of the market.

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she's always struck me as vapid. the "we shouldn't question the president" attitude merely confirms it for me.

she's a cow.

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Great speech Agathon... you hit the nail on the head!

Britney is just another piece of white trash... only she was lucky enough to sell her body and "talent" for big bucks. I'm not surprised by her views at all, nor will I hold them against her. I thought her a dope and a slut before and that hasn't changed.

I envision a Bush campaign commercial with Britney Spears and her dancers... I wouldn't put it past the RNC.

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I envision a Bush campaign commercial with Britney Spears and her dancers...


It might make me vote for Bush...

USA! USA! USA!

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Dressed as Iraqi guerillas, with Bush and Britney singing "Hit me Baby one more time"?

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USA=slut with plastic boobs?

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sadly, yes, that's what america's become.

it saddens me. what happened to the noble eagle? the average american is a cow herded by texans--that's what americans have become.

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