14-09-2003 01:48									#31
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither The discussion of the building in Elipolis is for a Palace, correct? We already have an FP. How could we build another one? OTOH, we could begin a palace, and bail to a wonder if RP has to be granted land. A palace is 436 turns from now at 2spt. At 6spt it would be about 150 turns. Or, am I missing something?

prebuild palace in elipolis, then turn before would build fp, disband arashi, switch eli to fp. biuld settlers and workers to whittle down the arashi population, then rebuild a on the spot.

	14-09-2003 01:51									#32
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Damn. I thought FP was a once only building. Thanks.

	14-09-2003 02:02									#33
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Why were the southern troops not positioned as discussed?

If we mean to use the stealth settle as a forward post (Barca4441 ?), why was it not moved towards the desired position?

	14-09-2003 02:05									#34
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Damn. I thought FP was a once only building. Thanks.

A useful trick, much easier for me to manually reposition than the palace, without leaders.

	14-09-2003 02:05									#35
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I thought I did move as discussed. We pushed a few pikes forward.

When we split the workers from the stealth settler, we will have to defend both stacks.

	14-09-2003 02:29									#36
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither If we use the three workers for a road on the hill at Barca 4 4 1, we can cut the road at Barca 8 9 on the 3rd turn following this one.

Why cut the road there?

	14-09-2003 02:45									#37
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Because that stops the iron going to RP, and does not require a DoW to do.

	14-09-2003 02:48									#38
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Got it.

	14-09-2003 02:49									#39
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I am (provisionally) naming the hill at Barca 4441 "Fort Liberation" or FL for short.

First, fortify a Pike at each of FL 6 and 2.

Move the three other Pikes to FL.

Move all local Knights to FL.

Move the three Workers and the Settler to FL 6.

I forget exactly who I moved from where, but I ended up with:

* another unfortified Pike at FL 3, a Pike and two MedInf (all unfortified) at FL 6

* 4 Pike, 2 MedInf, and 4 Cats at FL 69

* 2 Pike, 3 MedInf, and 4 Cats at FL 63

(I obviously used the two vet MedInfs from Barca 7)

Other thoughts:

* Somebody has to get Pikes onto Toledo 11 and then 111... and Toledo 6 would prolly be good too.

* I don't really care much about the ND MedInf northwest of Toledo... it's not a very meaningful position.

* Getting roads built at NM 14 and 111 would be smart.

	14-09-2003 02:52									#40
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We guard the workers and settler at FL 6 with what?

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Ooops, sorry, left that out.

Move one more Pike and two MedInf there.

	14-09-2003 03:06									#42
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After moving the galley 4, the enemy have 0 troops in range of FL 6 3. We can leave a single pike there. That gives us an additional pike.

btw, could you fill me in on what we do once we reach FL ahead of our settler and roads?

	14-09-2003 03:09									#43
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p 4 4 4 2 of Barca moves 7. Spots riders. 1 is 3 3 of Alamo. 1 is 6 9 of Merida.

	14-09-2003 03:45									#44
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Hello? btw, could you fill me in on what we do once we reach FL ahead of our settler and roads?

Also, do you mean all knights in area to include the 4 from Barca 4 4 2?

	14-09-2003 03:58									#45
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Why leave anything vulnerable at Barca 4 4?

Theseus, I have to get this done. I have been here for 4 hours now. Do you want to respond, or should I just get it done?

	14-09-2003 04:00									#46
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Sorry, I had to split for a while... future reference, do we want to do turn chats? (now that I FINALLY know how to change my nick to Theseus-away :lol

Let me load up the save again... BRB.

	14-09-2003 04:06									#47
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This is what I have done so far. Do we want mi's in with the pikes at Barca 4 4 1? Do we want to cover Barca 4 4 with anything?

p 4 4 4 2 of Barca fortifies
p 4 4 1 of barca fortifies
2p 4 4 1 of barca move 4
8k 4 4 of Barca move 4 1
se 4 4 of Barca moves 1
p 7 of Barca moves 1 4 1
p 4 4 2 of barca moves 7
3p 4 4 of Barca move 1
8c 4 4 of Barca move 2
m 4 4 of Barca moves 2. Fortifies

Last edited by notyoueither on 14-09-2003 at 04:22

	14-09-2003 04:10									#48
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They can only attack Barca 4 4 1 from one tile, Barca 4 4 4, and it uses all of their movement to get there and attack. So we face either 11 GoW riders, or that many plus ND ansars.

With 6 pikes, we could lose them and 60 shields worth of workers/settlers. It would almost be worth it if they bite and take that hill.

	14-09-2003 04:12									#49
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Huh?

The Cats did what?

And you now have, what, 2 Pikes at Barca 44?

	14-09-2003 04:15									#50
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Yes, or should we leave 4 cats with insufficient forces to hold them? GoW has a rider that can easily spot the weak stack with cats.

	14-09-2003 04:17									#51
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Keep in mind, 14+ ND ansars, or 11 GoW riders could be coming down that valley any time. They would have enough movement to attack Barca 4 4.

	14-09-2003 04:20									#52
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Fair enough, but the Cats moved 442?

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And where are the Workers?

	14-09-2003 04:22									#54
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Typo. They moved 2. Fixed now.

The workers are in Barca 4 4 1

	14-09-2003 04:25									#55
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How many Pikes at FL3? I have two.

Are you contemplating leaving the 4 Knights at FL 63 alone until FL is built?

	14-09-2003 04:31									#56
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With 8 Cats at FL 63, I'd say leave all Knights and MI in place for now. How about moving the 2 vet MI up from Barca 7 to FL 6?

The only threats coming up the valley are the Rider currently at Alamo 33 and a staging point at Alamo 336.

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I have only 1 p at FL3. The workers are a higher priority, yes? Could take a p from Barca 4 4.

I would like to have knights on roads, yes. So I have left the 4 k at Barca 4 4 2 alone so far.

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quote: Originally posted by Theseus With 8 Cats at FL 63, I'd say leave all Knights and MI in place for now. How about moving the 2 vet MI up from Barca 7 to FL 6? The only threats coming up the valley are the Rider currently at Alamo 33 and a staging point at Alamo 336.

Could do. I have been trying to conceal strength, but it does not look like they have being trying to spy on Barca 4 4 2.

OK to moving them to FL 6.

	14-09-2003 04:37									#59
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Confused...

I have:

2 P and 8 K at FL
2 P at FL 3
6 P and 4 "W" at FL 6
2 P at FL 69
1 P, 8 C, 5 MI, and 4 K at FL 63
6 MI at Barca 7

What do I have wrong?

	14-09-2003 04:39									#60
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add one more p to FL that I posted about earlier. Take it from FL 3.