11-09-2003 06:02									#1
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* General Info
- 1217 gold, +161 (at start of turn)

* Military
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* Economy

(I hope I'm not too late with this)
- Dissidentville - Shift bonus grassland and mountain laborers to regular grasslands.
- Santa Ana - Shift regular grassland laborer to work the bonus grassland Dissidentville just vacated.
- ***Monsoon - Move non-incense hill and mined grassland laborers to coast. We'll probably reverse this move next turn.
- ***Whirlwind - Move incense desert laborer to hill vacated by Monsoon, saving a turn on our WC there. We'll probably reverse this next turn.
- O.G. - Change production to a horseman. It only takes one turn longer than a WC and avoids wasting as many shields.
- Hurricane - Move a non-iron mountain laborer and a non-fur plains laborer near Sandstorm to coast, yielding 15 shields per turn for horsemen.
- Sandstorm - Move a desert laborer to the plains Hurricane vacated.


* Diplomacy
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* Additional info/Big issues.
- What do we want to do with Elipolis? Things aren't looking great for us to get a useful FP on Bob in the near future, meaning that moving our FP to Elipolis could be quite valuable (and in which case we probably want to add workers in the not-too-distant future to boost its production rate). My current feeling is that we're probably better off prioritizing a FP move there, but the issue is worth considering. - Nathan
- Other big issue. How are we going to pay the gold for the upgrades? Can we out build our gold?
- The situation in the South. GoW is a long while with the save. Prepare for something when we get the turn again.

Last edited by nbarclay on 13-09-2003 at 20:01

	11-09-2003 18:21									#2
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I'd say we need a courthouse in Elipolis, no?

As for military matters, we have to wait and see what GoW & ND did.

-Arrian

	11-09-2003 20:00									#3
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I agree with laying the groundwork to move the FP to elipolis. What would the estimate on getting the FP up there, assuming a large pop (I don't have a simulation)

As Leo was built last turn, I would imagine that the second rider wave is being sent out now, but I would estimate it taking perhaps 6 turns to reach Toledo. Though if ND really trusted them, it might take only 4 turns to get to Pamplona.

What is ND waiting for? Are they building a catapult army to assault pamplona?

Just looking at the map, but if I were ND and Gow, I would build a road around alamo. That way you could deposit your army on the forest, Pamplona-1 (consisting of slowmovers and cats) or the mountain Pamplona-2 (if using no cats). Alamo allows them to march nearly to the door of pamplona before being seen. Is there any way we could block that mountain, even with just one pike?

	12-09-2003 01:42									#4
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Game sent to RP... we need intel.

	12-09-2003 18:47									#5
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any news?

	12-09-2003 19:03									#6
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None.
grrrr...

	12-09-2003 19:37									#7
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We really need more than just info from them- we need to plan ahead, there is that mountain tile some of RP's pikes could seize, giving us a better control over the terrain, and denying the enemy an important staging point.

I did sent a PM to Arny earlier, but alas...

	12-09-2003 22:13									#8
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I agree. I think we need pikes up on especiallly the mountain adjacent to Pamplona.


Is there any reason why we don't have a representative in the chats anymore? any negativity out of their camp? Is there something afoot, double cross against us or ND?

	12-09-2003 22:40									#9
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Well, I just got the save... :???:
I'll forward it around. I'm going out in a few mins.

	12-09-2003 22:45									#10
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Some of you are getting GS saves for the first time... isn't that exciting?

Fried, I'm afraid you're not on my list yet. I forgot to add you when you posted your address and I can't find it now, and I have to go out soon. Post here and someone else who got the save will forward it to you.

	12-09-2003 22:46									#11
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Oh, and the password is...

OneToRule

	12-09-2003 23:53									#12
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	13-09-2003 00:11									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon ptaguildmaster@aol.com

I sent you the save, enjoy

	13-09-2003 00:17									#14
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Nothing unusual this turn, from a cursory glance.

No map update from RP, but probably nothing to update.

I would feel more comfortable if the pike near pamplona moved to the mountain P2, but thats just me.

boring turn, methinks.

	13-09-2003 01:45									#15
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I have no problem with getting a few more pikes up on the mtns by Pamp, so we cover it better. Do we have the pikes to spare, though?

-Arrian

	13-09-2003 04:57									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian I have no problem with getting a few more pikes up on the mtns by Pamp, so we cover it better. Do we have the pikes to spare, though? -Arrian

I think we would. we have a contingent of units between pamplona and toledo towards the north that are fairly distant from the fronts, hmm.

	13-09-2003 06:06									#17
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Right, what is up this turn? Not bad, btw... 6 units complete and our GPT went up slightly.

	13-09-2003 08:44									#18
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Is anyone around? Should we hold over night and do this tomorrow afternoon?

	13-09-2003 20:10									#19
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I will be around this afternoon.

	13-09-2003 20:28									#20
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We rushed a courthouse in Elipolis a long time ago and had it moving toward a possible FP until it was switched to a horseman (which it just finished). The city is generating two shields per turn right now, or could go up to four per turn if we move two laborers onto hills and stop growth. At size six, it should reach six shields per turn. If we want to focus on a FP, the best thing would probably be to max its production and add workers as soon as practical. (Note that Elipolis 7-7 still needs to be irrigated.) We'd be looking at a bit over 30 turns to finish the project, with exactly how much over depending on how quickly we add workers.

	13-09-2003 20:30									#21
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What is the targeted amount of upgradeable units?

right now we have:

2 warriors
5 spears
3 horses
6 war chariots

Next turn we will have built:
2 horses
2 spears

Turn after that:
3 war chariots
1 warrior
3 spears
2 horses

For a grand total (estimated) of:
3 warriors
10 spears
7 horses
9 war chariots

I have no clue the amount that would take alone, but it would be a significant chunk of our cash on hand. We have 1218 gold and gaining 164 a turn.

Whatever we do, I think we need those units upgraded and over to toledo within 5 turns from now, as shortly after that we can expect the recently upgraded rider army to arrive from the north.


other things:
should we move units to eliminate that nd mi toledo 999. I don't like him being able to spy on us from there, and would provide a good look out for us. Would love to have a road leading there and have quite a few knights up there. to prevent GoW from doing what they did last time.

I really think that they are going to move troops down the west coast this time, as the relations with ND have solidified and the roads are better, leading them to alamo without being seen.

What are the plans for our divisions on bob? where is the stealth settler going? I assume to where valenicia was, around the spices?

	14-09-2003 00:31									#22
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The discussion of the building in Elipolis is for a Palace, correct? We already have an FP. How could we build another one?

Also, in a worst case scenario... would we want to install RP in Estonia (the land north of Elipolis)? If we do, do we want that palace move?

OTOH, we could begin a palace, and bail to a wonder if RP has to be granted land.

A palace is 436 turns from now at 2spt. At 6spt it would be about 150 turns.

Or, am I missing something?

	14-09-2003 00:34									#23
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3 warriors x 60
10 spears x 20
7 horses x 80
9 war chariots x 100

1840 gold, right there.

	14-09-2003 00:41									#24
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If we use the three workers for a road on the hill at Barca 4 4 1, we can cut the road at Barca 8 9 on the 3rd turn following this one.

	14-09-2003 00:44									#25
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Military: What do you want to do, Theseus?

	14-09-2003 00:56									#26
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I would like to kill ND's medinf that is looking over the area of Toledo. We can move in two medinfs covered by a pike - this would grant us a chance of 84.5%, if I'm not mistaken, to kill ND's medinf with either our first or second medinf, and it's almost 50:50 that we'll kill ND's medinf with the first medinf.

	14-09-2003 00:57									#27
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Btw, I support the idea of roading up to that mountain after we take it from ND, and I would like to see us rebuild Valencia.

	14-09-2003 01:20									#28
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In a couple of turns, we can approach with 3 MI's. We only have to wait for some healing, and the return of the barb hunter.

	14-09-2003 01:24									#29
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Give me a little bit to load up the save... where was Valencia again?

	14-09-2003 01:27									#30
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Valencia is the pile of rubble on the river just south of our armies in the Barca area.

That settler was intended, by me, to be a forward post near Alamo and Merida.