12-09-2003 07:18									#1
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not exactly but i'm feeling quite depressed. last night, a 16 year old female friend of mine told me about how she has started having sex and has taken up smoking weed and getting drunk. age 16 so she lasted somewhat long before getting into that **** but she's still a little girl... or was...

i can't talk to her anymore. the little long-haired girl with the slight puerto rican accent who lived across the street from me who never wore a bookbag to school because she had her strange little rebellion against the idea of 'home'-work... who wrote me a letter when she was at camp and wrote it in ebonics, which i never did get around to getting on her for that... who would play basketball in the rain cause it was the only time she actually could play because no one else was out taking the courts and i would help her go from hurling the ball awkwardly to... well the same **** but still... but now... thats all gone... my little home girl's dead... i have failed for my sister.

why? god damn... all so some little boy could get his **** wet?! all her aunts had bastards by the time they was 18 so you'd think something would stop her!

i'm tired of this... i'm tired of girls getting pregnant left and right... i'm tired of 12 year old boys standing on the corner smoking blunts... i'm tired of the drug house behind my bus stop that the police are too stupid to figure out is a drug house... i'm tired of crack addicts asking for change... i'm tired of knowing i can't go anywhere without a weapon... i'm tired of these broken homes...

and i'm tired of failing... i know why i am on this earth... i know what God's mission for me is but i am failing at every turn. i beg him for the strength or power or whatever it takes for me to bring my battered brothers and sisters onto the righteous path but he seems to have forsaken me. i dont know why i'm posting this here... i want you to read this and please put down that blunt... put down that can of beer... throw away your condems and vow abstinence til you are married... please... i want peace in these streets.

please?

Last edited by MichaeltheGreat on 12-09-2003 at 08:05

	12-09-2003 07:21									#2
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Albert, I feel sorry for you. You never had the chance to act like a kid. Whether from circumstances or from some feeling of having a "mission", I don't know.

But, you let take these things personally, you ain't gonna last long.

ACK!

	12-09-2003 07:21									#3
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Maybe you're the one that's wrong.

	12-09-2003 07:24									#4
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Failing what? YOU ARE 19 (OR 18) YEARS OLD!!! YOUR LIFE HAS JUST FREAKING BEGUN!!!

Cut the martyr bull: it is not, and has never been your job to make everything around you a paradise. I assume you have tried, and you know what, after you go to college and get an adult life you will have a much better chance to do something. if you care so much, why add one more statistic?

	12-09-2003 07:26									#5
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Speer, despite our differences, it sounds like the "world sucks" syndrome that you have is pretty much the same as me... although my depression and thoughts of suicide focus more on how shitty my own situation was. I suppose if my life were going good, I'd care a little less about the world's problems.

Anyways, don't worry about the world. Whether you believe God gave us free will or not, we have it, and we each make our own choices. Sure it's painful to see such problems around you and be helpless, but you've got to focus on your own life and how you can make things better. Telling people how to live their lives is lame and immoral. But educating people, and "suggesting" lifestyle choices is a noble thing. Don't tell people to throw away their condoms. Abstinence is a respectable choice, but its not for everyone.

The best you can do is live your life to the fullest and create an environment where people can make good decisions. In the end, you cant' force your morals on people. They have to make their own decisions.

	12-09-2003 07:27									#6
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Sorry to hear all that Speer. If you care for people this life can get very depressing. I worked with teenagers for years and treated them like my own sons. Many of them went to prison and some were killed. You cannot bear this kind of stuff on your own.

	12-09-2003 07:27									#7
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You have no right to expect others to live up to your insane morality, kid. The only person in the world you have a right to expect the kind of behavior you want from is you.

	12-09-2003 07:29									#8
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is she actually dead or are you just saying that because you think it would be the same thing. If youre just saying it then all youre doing is giving up, stick by her and help her through it dont just abandon her like that! My friend turned into a alcoholic one summer while all of his friends (including myslef) were out of town, but I didnt just come back and tell him to **** off because I didnt like how he was anymore. I was still his friend and you know what, he's not a drunk anymore.

The worst thing that could happen in her life is for her to lose one of the few people that actually care about her and want to see her do positive things with her life. Dont give up!!

	12-09-2003 07:29									#9
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Speer.

Try doing that which gets girls pregnant more. Make sure you use birth control so as to avoid adding to that problem, but you will marvel at how it improves your outlook on life.

I've never met a depressed man who just got laid. Don't fall for the abstinence nonsense whatever you do.

	12-09-2003 07:30									#10
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Good advice Space05us.

	12-09-2003 07:32									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I've never met a depressed man who just got laid. Don't fall for the abstinence nonsense whatever you do.

I've known plenty of people who felt far worse after sex than better, because as a consequence of how they went about it, they felt dirty, cheap and like a user.

Sex shouldn't be used as a balm...

	12-09-2003 07:33									#12
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I am very sorry your friend got pregnant, Albert, your pain is perfectly understandable.

You feel you have a mission from God. God did not expect us to act alone, rather he formed us a Church. I strongly encourage you to get involved with one of the religious student organizations at temple.

There are more sins then those against chastity. Failure to compassion is one, and it is important you remain there for this girl as a friend. Removing yourself from her or showing her coldness will harden her heart.

Pride is another sin, and a dangerous one at that. Lucifer(Satan) is a very powerful being and the world is strong as well. It's prideful if you think you can take on the world by yourself. You feel you have a vocation from God. You must not attempt this on your own. Get involved with one of the Christian student organizations at your school and try meeting others who feel as you do. If you seriously expect to do anything, you need to this.

I'm going to eat with some friends now, but if you want to talk, feel free to PM me.

	12-09-2003 07:33									#13
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che: shud-up!

Tuberski: I don't feel sorry for him.

Albert:

I love you man!

You can't fix the problem until you have the means. Being a poor boy working at Mc-Ds, wondering how you are going to pay rent, and just whinning at the system ain't going to help these people, or people like her.

You are getting fit, training for the race or match or game... Don't forget your path, and don't forget your aim, you are one bad mother F'er who knows what it takes to get this **** taken care of; once and for all.

Yeah, you will lose some on the way, but that, my friend, is collateral damage. Some have to lose so others can win. It is this that you are seeing that will become your vision to stop. Don't through away your best of means, there is no gaurentee, but only the pain that it will stop.

You are a good man, and you are doing what is right. Get your education and get yourself to a point so that you have the POWER to help. You rock, your awesome, you are what I wish I could be.

Be Strong, Be the MAN, and I will be here to tell you that you are

Peace

	12-09-2003 07:36									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I've known plenty of people who felt far worse after sex than better, because as a consequence of how they went about it, they felt dirty, cheap and like a user. Sex shouldn't be used as a balm...

Don't tell us your problems.

On the topic of sex I'm with William Blake.

	12-09-2003 07:37									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I am very sorry your friend got pregnant, Albert, your pain is perfectly understandable.

She's not pregnant, just sexually active.

	12-09-2003 07:39									#16
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"throw away your condems and vow abstinence til you are married"

I didn't ask for it, I had it imposed on me by the female gender...

In any case, I think that you're attacking alot of things in your post, and you're also attacking some things that don't need it.

	12-09-2003 07:39									#17
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che and Lincoln are both right. The only real thing you can do for a person is set an example and try to help them out anyway you can. But sometimes, apart of helping is letting that person fail. I used to feel like it was my job to 'save' those around me but soon found out that you can't save anyone that is bent on a particular course of action. Caring hurts.

The girl that I was excitied about seeing over the 4th of july holiday weekend blew my expectations away. We have been close for seven years and I thought that no matter how bad her depression and mood swings got she would be ok. When I stayed over her house that weekend I caught her using drugs (and it wasn't just pot). I was totally floored by this. She swore it was only the second time and she didnt really need it, but you could just tell she was lying. All I can say is live your own life, because others can't be responsible for your happiness.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon On the topic of sex I'm with William Blake.

You prefer to gun down your wife outside restaurants?

Oh, that's Robert, not William... nevermind.

And I wasn't referring to myself, either. But I don't think sex is necessarily a solution for feeling bad, and can often make people feel worse, depending on what they do.

	12-09-2003 07:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You prefer to gun down your wife outside restaurants? Oh, that's Robert, not William... nevermind.

quote: And I wasn't referring to myself, either. But I don't think sex is necessarily a solution for feeling bad, and can often make people feel worse, depending on what they do.

Perhaps not necessarily, but often.

	12-09-2003 07:49									#20
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So let me ask you this, kid. Do you think rejecting her will make her A) realize she's "screwing up her life, quit doing those things, and become a good and chaste little princess, or; b) make her feel even worse about herself and drive her to those things which will take her pain away and make her feel good?

You wannabe straightedge, that's your thing. 99.9% of the world, including lots of the folks who say they're gonna obstain, don't work that way. Even most of the "virgins" I know of engage in everything but inercourse (oral sex, hand jobs, etc).

And yes, the world's screwed up. It wasn't any less screwed up when your type of morality ruled the world. Look at what kind of society the Taleban made, and they believe that people should act they way you think people should act.

The fact is, people are screwed up. We're flawed. You don't help people by disengaging from them. Furthermore, she may not even need help. If you actually cared about her, you'd be trying to moderate her behavior (no sex when drinking or on drugs, always use condoms, etc). That way, at least, her behavior won't have permanent consequences.

	12-09-2003 07:59									#21
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quote: i'm tired of this... i'm tired of girls getting pregnant left and right... i'm tired of 12 year old boys standing on the corner smoking blunts... i'm tired of the drug house behind my bus stop that the police are too stupid to figure out is a drug house... i'm tired of crack addicts asking for change... i'm tired of knowing i can't go anywhere without a weapon... i'm tired of these broken homes...

But when you go to places where such things are vastly less common (remember your trip to the suburbs?) you "righteously" declare your hatred of it and the people who live there:

quote: but yeah so i visited the suburbs... only makes me hate it more

Get over it... get over yourself.

	12-09-2003 08:01									#22
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Actually, it is a point that I'm less inclined to be sympathetic to AS considering his overtly racist signature quote. That, and his handle is "Albert Speer," for fooks sake.

	12-09-2003 08:09									#23
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Speer - since you played the game of using "I'm feeling suicidal" to get people's attention in the thread title, and then immediately went to some BS along the lines of "not really, but that title would pull your chains more" this thread is toast.

All it contains is your usual sanctimonious moralizing about how someone else didn't live according to the standards you think they should. Next time you try that crap with a "suicide" themed thread title, you'll get a week off to think it over.

	12-09-2003 08:09									#24
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You wanna know what's real? We're real! So take some ****in advice!