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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999 time: 00:29
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Yeah I crossed the border between West Philly and Lower Merion and damn was I shocked...
see, I've actually been to the suburbs before but the suburbs I've been too were Camden and Cheltenham. Everybody knows about Camden but Cheltenham isn't that known except for having a mall that is considered the best for sneaker shopping in the north-east (according to some basketball magazines). Basically to sum Cheltenham up, there was once an attempted armed robbery of a foot locker there but the robber was shot to death by a customer (!) who was packing... so Cheltenham with its run-down rowhomes, etc. aint really the suburbs.
Lower Merion on the other hand is extremely wealthy. The houses there was massive with huge lawns and backyards... for real, how does it feel to have a lawn? I mean like do kids usually play on it and do they have fights about whose lawn they'll play on? it's weird as ****... do they ever play out on the street? and aint it a ***** to have to cut that lawn all the time? here, the biggest lawns people got usually are small 5 foot by 5 foot plots. and some of the houses were wooden!
Also the side-walks was amazingly clean with none of the usual scraps of trash, paper, bottles, plastic beer cups, cigarettes, and roach clips... but the weird **** was that there was no public trash cans out on the street! even in philly, we got them all over and though they never really get emptied by the city, they are at least there... and still, our streets are dirty as hell... but over there, there are no trash cans yet the streets are clean?! and whats with there being no sneakers hanging from telephone wires? 
As I expected, I didn't see a single ethnic minority... but I barely even saw people period. There was two people walking their dogs and no one else really. I'm used to seeing a dozen people hanging around on every corner but people up in the suburbs must be spending all their time indoors or something, right?
Also, oddly there was no churches... here, you can't go down any two-lane street too far before running into a church or a jahovah's witness meeting hall but over there there was no churches... instead there was a synagogue, a jewish temple, and something called a jewish academy... hmm...
When I hit their main street with some stores on them, i was surprised by the lack of a corner food store... i was kind of wondering what it'd be like not being run by Indians, Asians, or puerto ricans, but there was none! how do you people buy your food?! it must be miles to the nearest supermarket! also of note was some store called the "Jewish Holiday Store"... hmm...
amazingly, the cars there weren't that great... I honestly see more benzes, bmws, range rovers, escalades, etc. in the city.
but anyway, that sums up my little trip to the suburbs... odd place and i did get the distinct feeling that one woman walking her dog crossed the street when she saw me...
but yeah so i visited the suburbs... only makes me hate it more. and what was with all the jewish things? i always thought there was more jewish people in the cities than outside of them
thanks
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Jon Miller
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did your legs get tired?
and there are far more jewish people inside of the cities than outside them, I know many jewish people here in DC and not a one in Washington or Oregon
Jon Miller
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999 time: 00:29
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oh yeah the fire hydrants were either yellow or silver! what the hell is that?!
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Seeker
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London Ontario
Jan 1970 time: 00:29
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I'm moving to Songpa-gu, which is the Korean version of slightly upper middle class.
It's great, trees, parks, huge appart, no anmas, no soju jeep every 5 feet, no beer tents, no dancing girls, no pools of dried vomitus everywhere, no public pissing facing traffic, no drunks passed out everywhere...let's here it for bourgeois snobbery!
Hip hip....
A-SAAAAAA!!
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999 time: 00:29
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Black Dragon:
there was in increase in parking ticket fines... apparently, it was found that it was cheaper to park on the side-walk or double park or park in a restricted area and get a ticket then spend money for a spot in a parking lot... so the city upped the fines...
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999 time: 00:29
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you did for real? he took you clubbing or something?
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Jon Miller
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deffinitely
I agree
it is good for the soul to leave the cities
I need to get out of college park
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The Mad Monk
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000 time: 23:29
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Speaking as someone who's lived in the suburbs all his life I know there is a large variation in how clean sidewalk are -- but usually they are clean. It's a combination of two factors. The owners of the homes you saw are responsible for the upkeep of the sidewalk in front of their property, including repairs and snow removal; they can get fined if they don't, and their property loses value if the front looks crappy. Secondly, people who live there know this, and tend to police their own trash because of it.
People usually drive everywhere, so corner stores have been supplanted by 24 hour supermarkets -- both cheaper and more convenient.
I grew up in Glen Ridge, and it was exactly like that, except local small grocers were still in abundance. I now live in Belleville, which is next to Newark, Bloomfield, and Nutley (with Kearny and Arlington across the river), and it's more urban in both look and 'attitute' to cleanliness in some areas, and more like Glen Ridge in others.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002 time: 07:29
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Well little off topic, but in America, the scenery and everything can really change in matter of walking few miles, or usually, less than that. For example in NY, when I was trying to learn the subway system, it's very different everywhere. I mean first you have these nice big stations, full of cops for some reason. Then few stops further, I mean you don't have to go far, stations are messy as hell, no cops, and messy looking people. It's amazing to a guy who is not used to see how diverse things can be, in good and bad.
And only few stops further from that.. I started missing my home and mom . But it was all me, no one harrased me or anything. Though this one guy started talking to me quit loudly, and I thought I should just keep quiet and leave the first chance I get. He was interested in my bag, or at least he said so 'Yeahhhhhhhh when I say open up your bag, **** is crazy, knives and ****, when I say open up your bag'.. it was an experience for sure.. I guess he was little light on the head though.. he didn't say 'open up your bag' though.. just illustrated what would happen if he wanted to. I guess I would have given my bag and hope to come back alive .
Other than that.. it wasn't bad, but it sure was messy.. trash all over. Though I figured that it's not because people would throw more garbage on the streets, but because there maybe wasn't a good system to keep places cleaner, and not so much cleaners and .. services.
I don't know.. I don't know any facts.
Albert Speer, how's the thing with college working out?
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JohnT

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Capitalist
Mar 1999 time: 00:29
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"Lower Merion on the other hand is extremely wealthy. The houses there was massive with huge lawns and backyards... for real, how does it feel to have a lawn? I mean like do kids usually play on it and do they have fights about whose lawn they'll play on? it's weird as ****... do they ever play out on the street? and aint it a ***** to have to cut that lawn all the time? here, the biggest lawns people got usually are small 5 foot by 5 foot plots. and some of the houses were wooden! "
Suburbanite here...
I wish you had a picture - ones definition of large might not be anothers.
Yes, kids play on the lawn and the determination of which kids' lawn to play on is quite simple really - which of your friends has the coolest stuff or the laxest parents?
When I was 11+, my yard had a treehouse appx. 25 feet in the air, a rope swing that reached all the way to the treehouse, and a trampoline about... 50(?) feet away from the treehouse. Did I mention that we had a "launching pad" from the treehouse that you could swing from?
The purpose, of course, was to jump onto the swing from the launching pad, wait until you hit your peak of the ark on the upswing, and then launch yourself to the trampoline. We would move the damned thing, trying to see who could launch themselves the furthest and still land on the trampoline. 
The largest yard I've had was about 1.5 acres, and we weren't rich by any stretch of the imagination.
We also cut the yard, at least until our kids are old enough to do it for us. We're already training Sophie how to walk the dogs, grass cutting isn't too far away. 
Most of your really big lawns (multiple acres) are usually cut by lawncare guys, who have big riding/standing lawnmowers. Since my yard is no larger than 1/2 acre, I just have an El-Cheapo™ lawnmower from Wal Mart.
"As I expected, I didn't see a single ethnic minority..."
Determinate upon the suburb you went to. Plenty of minorities in suburbs here in the south. Of course, you can't really make the above claim because, as you note:
"but I barely even saw people period."
"I'm used to seeing a dozen people hanging around on every corner but people up in the suburbs must be spending all their time indoors or something, right?"
More than likely (if you went in the middle of the day), they are out at parks, malls, their friends' houses, or anywhere other than home. Given that the suburbs are a creature of the automobile, it is not surprising that all the people were out - and "going out" in the American suburbs means taking your car.
You can't leave home without it. 
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JohnT

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Capitalist
Mar 1999 time: 00:29
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"When I hit their main street with some stores on them, i was surprised by the lack of a corner food store... i was kind of wondering what it'd be like not being run by Indians, Asians, or puerto ricans, but there was none! how do you people buy your food?! it must be miles to the nearest supermarket! also of note was some store called the "Jewish Holiday Store"... hmm..."
Yeah, the supermarkets are miles away, but no further than 5 or so. Once again, the suburbs are built around the existence of the automobile, so a five minute walk to the store is now a five minute drive.
"but yeah so i visited the suburbs... only makes me hate it more. and what was with all the jewish things? i always thought there was more jewish people in the cities than outside of them"
Yeah, well, we hate you too. Go back where you belong. 
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