14-09-2003 07:35									#1
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As there appear to be some interest in an interfactional debating contest. The point of this event is to generate more a lively ACDG atmosphere and factional culture. The main point is to have fun, be creative and generate good convicing arguements. There would be different tones of debating, from humorous to serious ones. Participants are encourage to roleplay their faction and use factional philosophy.

Here are some guidelines for the debate.

• 4 days are given for both sides to present all their arguements. After that the debate is closed and any points presented after that time is ignored by the judges.
  
• There are three independant judges who will review and judge the debate within 3 days after the debate has closed
  
• Members outside the two factions are not to participate during the 4 days.
  
• But after the 4 days, any observer may comment any points they wish on the debating thread.
  
• Well structured arguements and a conclusion is recommend as ultimately it is the judges who have to read through all the posts. So make make their job easy and fun for them.
  
• Having fun and roleplay is recommended too
  

Last edited by Vev on 14-09-2003 at 07:40

	14-09-2003 08:06									#2
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I've just contacted 3 possible judges.

If they're interested I've asked them to post their interest in this thread.

	14-09-2003 09:34									#3
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I thinks thy should be 5 possible judges. The more judges, the more we can bribe and threaten. Plus judges is always disappearing, if ye knows what I means.

But wes open to reasons as to why there should be just three as opposed to five or seven, nine or eleven.

	14-09-2003 09:49									#4
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Hercules,

Sure if you can rustle up reliable judges.

Only 3 judges so far because I don't want to send out a mass spamming of PMs.

	14-09-2003 10:15									#5
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To get things rolling which faction would like to go against the Hive

After that, there we need to decide on a topic. Maybe as a guest of honour, Googlie can help provide the first topic for the debate.

	14-09-2003 10:59									#6
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Slav'sya Slav'sya Rodina ROSSIYA!

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	14-09-2003 11:34									#7
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The Hive team consists of:

EZRhino
Vev
Voltaire

	14-09-2003 16:39									#8
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Kody: Who have you chosen as judges? Should that be up to one faction? I'm just curious.

	14-09-2003 16:44									#9
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I'm choosing people that hopefully have no affliation. The people I've tried to contact I have barely even talked to. So you shouldn't be worried about biased judges.

However, I've just realised that one of the people I've asked to be a judge doesn't have a reliable computer at the moment. Another, seems to log on less than I hoped.

So if you can think of some people that won't be biased and might make good judges, please invite them. Hercules said we wouldn't mind having more judges than just three.

I'm not going to say who the judges actually are, as they should have every opportunity to quietly reject the offer without worrying what the people here will think.

	14-09-2003 17:13									#10
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I can be a judge. And I promise I can be impartial too. No seriously I can.

	14-09-2003 17:19									#11
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I nominate myself for the drone debate team and as a judge. I see no problem judging myself, as I do it every day. Case in point, I judge my post to be silly and irrelevant-- Zero marks.

	14-09-2003 17:21									#12
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Go jtsisyoda,

It's good to see that there's at least one faction other willing to get into some debating.


As for the Judge applications, wouldn't it be perferable that the judges weren't in a faction.

	14-09-2003 17:25									#13
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I'd give you zero too. I give you a positive one point for being bold and enthusiastic, which is something we should encourage. But a negative one point for the obvious lack in the ability of reasoning for thinking that a debate team playing could be a judge at the same time.

	14-09-2003 17:27									#14
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I agree with HongHu, but give myself +1 for irony. Final score 1 mark.

	14-09-2003 17:33									#15
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-1 for not being able to stick to one's position. Final score 0.

	14-09-2003 17:41									#16
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quote: Comrade Tassadar wrote: On a scale of 1-100, on funness I would rate: 1. Hive 87 2. CyCon 74 3. Free Drones 0 4. Pirates (Have not/refused to Authorize me) -1 5. Planet Looniversity of Technology (Refused to authorize me. But when I was there it wasn't too fun either.) -100

I nominate Tassadar for judge. He's not in a faction. That means he's completely unbiased.

Although I'm being silly right now, I will participate and play by the rules if it gets going.

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quote: -1 for not being able to stick to one's position. Final score 0.

Touche'. One mark for judge HongHu

	14-09-2003 18:03									#17
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Hercules & Drogue,

It seems I'm going to have trouble even finding three judges. Since you two both were interested in who was going to be judging the contest. It would be good if you guy could scout around and find suitable judges.

	14-09-2003 19:44									#18
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I would like to be the referee and post every so often to advise those debating that their post is off topic or too long. That way I'll get to be Emperor in no time.

Each faction should try to nominate a judge. I 'll go round our taverns and see if anyones interested.

	14-09-2003 20:00									#19
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Actually that's a good idea. One judge from each faction and one or two judges from outside. That'll represent a well balance.

	14-09-2003 20:11									#20
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I guess someone should start a rules suggestion thread. If people discuss it first then we can iron out the possible problems before they appear.

Lets see if Vev takes charge of the situation. If not, then it looks like we'll have to nominate someone to organise the rules and judges etc. If not Vev my vote is for Hercules to run the debates since he seems keen.

PS: I don't want to run it as my duties in the hive are making me get to emperor too fast for my liking. Being a prince was cool, being king is okay I guess, but being emperor would make me feel old.

	15-09-2003 01:28									#21
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quote: Originally posted by jtsisyoda I nominate Tassadar for judge. He's not in a faction. That means he's completely unbiased.

Hey, I can be unbiased when I want to be

	15-09-2003 02:52									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kody PS: I don't want to run it as my duties in the hive are making me get to emperor too fast for my liking. Being a prince was cool, being king is okay I guess, but being emperor would make me feel old.

You could try IWs 'Prince Forever' He gets a 50% PCR every time he reachs 1000 posts IIRC, so he is always a Prince.

	15-09-2003 04:10									#23
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Given that the intention of this event is to provide a fun stimulating challenge, I don't see why not reputable members from non-participating factions could act as judges. Although I think judging should be transparent and the score given should be based on some justification.

	15-09-2003 04:25									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Kody Hercules & Drogue, It seems I'm going to have trouble even finding three judges. Since you two both were interested in who was going to be judging the contest. It would be good if you guy could scout around and find suitable judges.

I can judge. I have been watching the ACDG game for a while but I am not affiliated with any faction. Just let me know what I need to do and what I'm getting into before I fully commit.


Mead

	15-09-2003 04:37									#25
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I once almost reached Deity...and in principle, I am

I hereby accept the most gracious offer of being a judge...although I don't know if my English will be up to it

	15-09-2003 04:47									#26
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Welcome Arbiter Provost Harrison, nice to meet you. We are honoured that you have decided to become ACDG Interfactional Debating Judge.

	15-09-2003 04:52									#27
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Nice to see you've accepted the position Provost Harrison.

If you like you can add some more possible topics. We're going to have a mass vote on the topics soonish.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=96910

	15-09-2003 04:57									#28
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Mead you will be a welcomed addition too. Hercules, I won't mind another helping hand. Also it would be great to have referees from different factions, to prevent conflict of interests when their faction is involved or when they may be absent due to various reasons.

	15-09-2003 09:24									#29
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Factions Please Sign Up

Hurry, factions, you have up until Tuesday 16th of September to decide to go against the Hive. Currently only Jtsisyoda of the Drones have nominated himself. If there are excess of participanting factions, then they can pair up and run the debate in parallel or in the following debate.

Currently no other faction nominate themselves, then it will be Hive vs. Drones.

	15-09-2003 10:13									#30
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In relation to judges

Okay we've decided we're going to have several judges (mainly from listening to other faction's suggestions). Each faction can nominate a Judge from their own faction or external to their faction.

So far the judge allocation will be.

Provost Harrison - Head Judge
I believe we can safely say he will be impartial, and being a moderator at CGN will know how to make fair decisions. Consequently, his vote will be worth double if the judges are divided equally in opinion. This allows Provost Harrison to break a tie from an even number of judges.

Mead - Volunteer Judge
Affiliation none as far as I can tell. Might as well have him as a judge.

Tassadar - Hive External To Faction Judge
The Hive decided that Tassadar should be given some serious responsibilities as technically he is a game abitrator. Tassadar has agreed to learn how to be impartial, and this will give him the opportunity to prove he can handle responsibilities.

Hercules - Peace Faction Judge
Should make a decent judge. I'm sure the members of his faction should be able to vouch for him.

We should get 1 judge nomiated from each of the other factions that will be participating. Judges should strive to be impartial and a judge should not participate as a debator.