19-09-2003 08:01									#61
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You will still only have two starting techs, just have the values all averaged out to 3 (they normally valued at 2 to 5).

Once again, if you guys want more powerful barbs, go for it, but don't come b*tching to me when you pop three angry barbs next to your capital and you haven't settled your other cities...

Speaking about other cities, if you don't like the multiple settler/worker groups, say so. I only put it in to speed up the early game...

	19-09-2003 10:10									#62
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Multiple settlers and workers are fine.
When should we send our civ stats to Master Zen? (maybe I should ask him)

	19-09-2003 10:12									#63
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I'm not really a friend of big starting packs (multiple settlers and workers), but I will respect the decision of the majority.

	19-09-2003 11:32									#64
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quote: Originally posted by OPD I was going to be expansionist but 3 stlrs at the start and a jag will make it less effective.

Yes, its less effective, but not completely so. I think there are two BIG bonuses to expansionist. Yes, the scout is nice (and te starting Jag negates this), but the other part is better. Goodie Huts are nicer to expansionist civs (ie: better chance of popping a settler or city).

	19-09-2003 11:45									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Noun should be Freemericans, or do I get that wrong?

No, you have it right. There should be an 's' on the end.

	19-09-2003 11:48									#66
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree What about choosing three traits? There will likely be some teams with same exact traits if we only choose two. We all will likely pick industrious....you get the picture.

What about choosing 3 traits? Who likes this? Who doesn't?

	19-09-2003 12:02									#67
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I don't like it.

	19-09-2003 12:07									#68
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal Once again, if you guys want more powerful barbs, go for it, but don't come b*tching to me when you pop three angry barbs next to your capital and you haven't settled your other cities...

In one of my PBEMs I popped 2 camps at once not by entering with a warrior, but by city expansion in 3500BC. I was confronted with six angry barbarians, against 2 of my warriors, one of which was already far away exploring. They killed my worker, pillaged all I had improved until this point, defeated my city defender, stole all my gold (only 10), killed one citizen, leaving the city at size one. Mind you it were only warriors, but the difficulty was emperor, where barbarians are much more powerful than under regent and monarch.

	19-09-2003 12:54									#69
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I would rather face mediocre barbs and ferocious human opponents. Make babrbs too powerful and you may take the 'chance' out of what they were intended to provide the game.

	19-09-2003 13:09									#70
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree What about choosing three traits? There will likely be some teams with same exact traits if we only choose two. We all will likely pick industrious....you get the picture.

(emphasis mine)

No, I don't get the picture. I won't take industrious with 2 traits. With 3, I will.

	19-09-2003 13:42									#71
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Donegeal:

If your bedtime is always about when it was yesterday, you should precede me in the turn order. I return from work about 5pm GMT.

	19-09-2003 13:59									#72
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal Yes, its less effective, but not completely so. I think there are two BIG bonuses to expansionist. Yes, the scout is nice (and te starting Jag negates this), but the other part is better. Goodie Huts are nicer to expansionist civs (ie: better chance of popping a settler or city).

yeah but a goody hut stlr will only increase your empire by a third rather than doubling it. Expansionist rocks against humans, with more importance on maps and without the extra AI units popping all the huts.

I'm ok with the 3 stlr start and everything else, don't like 3 traits, like SR I won't have ind as one of my 2,

or will I

	19-09-2003 14:20									#73
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SR, no, I have no set bedtime. I was just tired when I posted that so I went to sleep. I have been working third shift here in the Central Time Zone for almost 6 years. Between this, and my military training, I now have the ability to go to sleep/wake up anywhere, anytime at an instant notice. The only time I can garuntee I will be asleep is 1900 - 2200 GMT. All others I can wake up, kill some people (ie, play my turn), then go back to bed.

Hmmm... just got of the toliet again (wonderful place the toliet. The smell could be better, but thats for OT disscussion) and you are right, I should probably go before you (SR). Make it Anatolia, me, SR, OPD, NYE/GF/Beta, BF.

	19-09-2003 14:32									#74
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Ok, I seem to be in the minority about the barbs.... who about I give a little and say that we keep them as they are, but make lots of them. Set barbs to raging and have MZ place 2 (or more) camps somewhere in our lands?

Also, having the three settler groups is not needed. We could even cut it to two groups and it would still increase the speed of the game.

I am also against 3 traits. Industrious is indeed a very useful trait, but I am of the opinion that it is NOT that important....

	19-09-2003 15:18									#75
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No need to overdo it. I'm fine with raging barbarian warriors.

	19-09-2003 17:23									#76
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I'm okay with 3 traits and raging barbarian warriors.

Since we have two camps, why don't we compromise. Those who only want two traits can take two and those who want three can take three. There going to be secret anyway so no need to tell how many you chose...............

	19-09-2003 17:39									#77
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ummm.... no.

:grin:

	19-09-2003 17:41									#78
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Whats the problem, GF? Can't make up your mind? Is this too difficult for you?

Maybe we should take it easy on GF, guys....

NOT!!!!

	19-09-2003 18:17									#79
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BTW, right now (or about 15-20 minutes ago) would be the best time for me to play my turn everyday.

That would be 1355 GMT.

	19-09-2003 19:13									#80
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal ummm.... no.

Why not? You get your two traits, we get our three traits, everybody's happy.

Problem solved.

Your not changing your mind now are you? Have you paid Aggie that $200 on the bet that GS wouldn't be as stupid as we thought?

	19-09-2003 19:24									#81
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What, they didn't kill him?

	19-09-2003 19:26									#82
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal What, they didn't kill him?

ummm.... no.

You really should check the team forum once a month or so.............

	19-09-2003 20:04									#83
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Ok, lets start to get this boat on the road....

MAP
Size: Standard
Settings: All random

Barbarians
Raging

Hidden Nationality Units
Jag Warrior (30 shields, upgrades to War Elephant)
War Elephant (100 shields, upgrades to Cossack)
Cossack (130 shields, remove required resourses, no upgrade)
Guerilla (140 shields, no upgrade)

Difficulty
Monarch

First level Techs
All of them revalued to 3

Equalized starting positions
Master Zen will insure that nobodies starting position sucks (he can generate the map to check each position and/or make all "relatively" equal)

Play order
Anatolia
Donegeal
Sir Ralph
OPD
Notyoueither
GhengisFarb
Beta
BigFree

Civ Color
Anatolia: Purple (Prime India)
Donegeal: Purple-Blue (Secondary Korea)
Sir Ralph: Black (Secondary Zulu)
OPD: Blue (Secondary Babylon)
Notyoueither:
GhengisFarb: Blue (Prime Germany)
Beta:
BigFree: Red (Prime Rome)

Leaderheads
Anatolia: Wang Kon (Korea)
Donegeal: Hannibal (Carthage)
Sir Ralph: Brennes (Celt)
OPD: Hammurabi (Babylon)
Notyoueither:
GhengisFarb: Bismark (Germany)
Beta:
BigFree: Ceasar (Rome)

Civ Traits/UU/Starting Techs
E-mail to Master Zen at raguil A T hotmail.com

[Edit] Had to get MZ e-mail address.

Last edited by Donegeal on 19-09-2003 at 21:21

	19-09-2003 20:08									#84
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal Civ Traits/UU/Starting Techs Anatolia - chooses 2 or 3 Donegeal - chooses 2 Sir Ralph - chooses 2 OPD - chooses 2 or 3 Notyoueither - chooses 2 or 3 GhengisFarb - chooses 3 Beta - chooses 2 or 3 BigFree - chooses 3 E-mail to Master Zen at ......(hold on, let donegeal get his address....)

Just elaborating the specifics............

	19-09-2003 20:10									#85
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Your not changing your mind now are you? Have you paid Aggie that $200 on the bet that GS wouldn't be as stupid as we thought?

Am I the only one who thinks this game may decend into SR, NYE and me agianst Don and GF.

	19-09-2003 20:11									#86
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Pah! That sniveling little worm!?! Just look at his avatar for christs sake!

	19-09-2003 20:13									#87
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Three traits will suck,

I doubt anyone will pick expan, and commercial's benefits can be surpassed by RCP.
3 from 4 won't give much diversity

	19-09-2003 20:18									#88
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We can still be all nice and vote on it...

Don votes no
SR votes no
OPD votes no
GF votes yes
Anatolia votes ?
NYE votes ?
Beta votes ?
BF votes ?

Thats 3 no and 1 yes so far....(Someone bug Beta and NYE to sound off on the issues....)

	19-09-2003 20:24									#89
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BF voted yes, it was his idea, I say each PTW team gets 6 trait picks to distribute amongst their representatives, since GS has three players they get 2 each. Me and donegeal split our 6 with 3 each. Beta and Big Free get 6 traits each since they are each the only one from their teams.

Anatolia isn't on a PTW team so he gets no traits.

	19-09-2003 20:28									#90
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Anatolia isn't on a PTW team so he gets no traits.

hmmmmm.....