19-09-2003 20:34									#91
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If you only want 2 traits I'll bite the bullet and use the other four picks awarded to our team.

	19-09-2003 20:42									#92
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Anatolia isn't on a PTW team so he gets no traits.

I don't mind if everyone has 2 and GF has 3, it'll just make the target already painted on him even bigger.

	19-09-2003 20:47									#93
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Sounds like OPD and donegeal like this proposal. I can't imagine Big Free and Beta not agreeing to it, and with my vote that would be 5 and 3 not yet voting.

Anatolia will probably vote no, but as he's only one vote so he is most likely just going to get screwed..................

	19-09-2003 20:54									#94
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I would almost be willing to discuss setting up a pbem with 7 other players against me if I got a few edges. That should let some of you blow off some steam.

	19-09-2003 20:57									#95
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All joking aside... What version of PTW are we going to use? I don't have the lates patch yet, but I can get it if we go that way...

	19-09-2003 22:28									#96
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versions 1.21 and 1.27 are compatible with each other.

I will be making the game in 1.27 but anyone with 1.21 should be able to play without a problem.

	20-09-2003 00:01									#97
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So we each send MasterZen our two secret trait pick, our two secret starting tech picks and our one UU pick?

Is this what we are going with?

	20-09-2003 00:35									#98
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Looks so.

Are you stalling the Naval game, Ghengis?

	20-09-2003 00:59									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Looks so. Are you stalling the Naval game, Ghengis?

I'm at work, I don't have civ here.

	20-09-2003 02:23									#100
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for those who don't know it, my mail is raguil AT masterzen DOT net

	20-09-2003 04:14									#101
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edited because I didn't see some recent posts.

Last edited by Masuro on 20-09-2003 at 04:20

	20-09-2003 04:34									#102
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My information has been sent to Master Zen. I only sent him two traits I wanted so that's my vote.
Let's get going!

	20-09-2003 10:30									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Banana resources? Or what do you mean with classic Poly start?

How soon they forget!

nye's all time worst start / penance to the Great Banana:



yes kiddies, that is a real start from a real game. Started wandering from a point adjacent to the bonus grass and gold hill. That shot is 3500BC.

	20-09-2003 11:20									#104
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Map-Size: Standard. Yes

Other map settings: being on a young, dry, cold, archi would suck would it not?
Wet or nromal.
Continents.
Warm if normal. Normal if wet or cold.

Difficulty: Monarch is fine. So is regent.

HUs: Fine
Jag (30 shield)
War Elephants (100 shield)
Cossack (130 shield, no resourses)


Starting units (this has been put out by me, but nobody argued it): Fine
3 Settlers
3 Workers
1 Jag Warrior
1 Scout (if expansion trait choosen)

Leveled starting techs: Fine
3 All starting techs set to value 3 (SR, Don, OPD)

"equalized" starting position: I will go with the majority.
2 yes (SR, OPD)
1 Abstain (Don)

Civ traits/UU/start tech: Fine if that is 2 traits, 1 uu, 2 techs
5 Known only by the civ and the set up man (Don, OPD, SR, GF, BF)

Civ Color:
NYE: Roman Red

Civ Name:
NYE: Haven't decided yet

Leaderhead:
NYE: Haven't decided yet

Play order: I am at GMT -6

Set up man: Sure
2 Master Zen (Don, OPD)

	20-09-2003 11:34									#105
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Civ Color: NYE: Roman Red

BigFree has already taken Roman Red (I have it listed as Red (Prime Rome).

	20-09-2003 11:38									#106
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NYE, can you play during the daytime, or do you need to be done with work?

	20-09-2003 11:47									#107
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Damn. Did not see the colour choice of BF. I will let you know soon.

I work days. Must be after work. Actually, putting me after BF would be wise, since he normally cuts out before I am home.

	20-09-2003 11:50									#108
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Give me Aztec green, then.

	20-09-2003 12:25									#109
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Ok, Aztec green it is....

And a new play order:
Anatolia
Don
SR
OPD
GF
Beta (is anyone going to bug him? I can't send PMs at work...)
BF
NYE

	20-09-2003 13:03									#110
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PMd Beta

	20-09-2003 13:16									#111
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SR, Are you at work right now? would you be able to play the turn at this time? It would be about 4 more hours until I could play mine...

	20-09-2003 14:41									#112
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It's Saturday, and I'm at home. I have several things to do, but at weekends I can play 'round the clock. Can't do so during the week, though.

	20-09-2003 16:18									#113
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither yes kiddies, that is a real start from a real game. Started wandering from a point adjacent to the bonus grass and gold hill. That shot is 3500BC.

Thats a VERY similiar start to my Vikings in the Power Block PBEM with OPD, I started with two grassland and everything else mountain. Not a drop of water in sight.

	20-09-2003 20:35									#114
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Hi folks. I'm here. Sorry about that.

I actually had sent my information to Don shortly after he set the game up, (but I know he promises to forget it ), and then I was away for a couple of days.

My vote is two traits.

Also - I am with SR about not strating with 3 settlers, but I will go with the flow.

Monarch - OK.

Normal map - whatever. Wewt is fine too. All the mods - OK. Although to be honest - I will need a better explanation of how those hidden UU (jag warrior to cossack thing works).

And my civ:

Civilization: Atlantis
Noun: Atlanteans
Adjective: Atlantean
Title: Emperor
Name: Betazoid
Leaderhead: Xerxes (Persian)
Color: Celtic Green

Now PM'ing MZ with my details.

	20-09-2003 20:36									#115
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And oh yes - I am in Toronto - so GMT-5 normally, with EDT, GMT-4.

	20-09-2003 21:44									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Wewt is fine too.

Wewt sounds interesting, can you elaborate a bit more?

Your really like this Atlantis stuff, don't you......

	21-09-2003 14:00									#117
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I emailed my settings to MZ.

Of course my vote is for 3 traits. So does it need 4 or 5 votes to pass?

Everything else sounds fine. What about general rules? Like no MiniMap trades before MM; and other things that have come up in the PTWDG and the ISDG.

	21-09-2003 15:15									#118
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I agree with not exchanging minimaps before actual in-game contact.

	21-09-2003 16:00									#119
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I propose this general rule: Only in-game diplomatic transactions

This means in particular:

- No diplomacy at all before meeting in-game. Includes no hints like "I'm in the upper right quarter of the map, go look for me there."
- No secret contact trading. Meaning, it is not allowed to say "Player X is to my southeast, look for him there". Contact trading (or gifting) after Writing is ok.
- No minimap trading whatsoever. We can trade TMs and WMs in-game.
- No hidden alliances. Alliances have to be formed by building embassies and allying in-game, visible for all. Meaning: Parties can plan attacks together, but as soon as war broke out, the alliance has to be published.

All this needs some fair play from everyone, but I think no need to worry about this.

	21-09-2003 17:23									#120
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I agree with Sir Ralph but I don't think we need to announce alliances. Don't nations have secret alliances in real life?